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Happy New Years everyone!
May 2023 bring everyone good health and fortune.
who ever makes the best Black Face Twin VST owes me a free copy.
Cheers
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12-31-2022 02:57 AM
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Happy new year!
Watching that video, I have a feeling I might be retiring earlier than I'd previously planned.
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It's daunting stuff. If this technology remains in the hands of the people and is not hived off for the 'elites' under the guise of copyright infringement etc.. It's a total game changer for humanity.
Originally Posted by CliffR
For a start Google is going to take a massive hit.
I've been saying over the last few years that accountants, finance guys, software engineers, are gong to be at the head of the cull in the new age of AI.
On the bright side that will free up well educated people to do and create others things.
You'll always need a plumber though.
Of course there will be immense push back from corporations (such as google) and software developers etc.. The copyright lawyers will have a field day, whilst they still have a job lol
I was using it last night to write code for my Arduino. I got it to make crude electrical diagrams and the code to to use it.
I also got it to code a bot for data entry into Excel. I've never felt so powerful lol
I've also asked it to analyse jazz guitarists solo's but it doesn't seem great at that.
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I've been a professional programmer since 1981, with a short gap in the late 80s, early 90s, and I'm struggling to get my head around this and the potential consequences. I believe this particular piece of software is open source, so no worries about it being copyrighted. But there are real issues of ownership associated with the data that is used to train these things. I've heard of original artists' signatures showing up scrambled in AI-generated art, which I think is sufficient proof that the original artists' work is being pilfered. Apparently this came to light very recently when an AI-generated element was used unknowingly on a book cover.
As for leaving people more time to do more creative things.... I'm not so optimistic. That's been the promise of automation since - what? - the 70s, and it doesn't see to have panned out. People are working as long hours as ever, or are simply poorer, so far as I can tell.
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This video is interesting because I teach a grad-level course on digital audio signal processing and I cover methods for simulating overdrive pedals. The course is theory oriented not code oriented - in fact I can't code in C/C++. But if I could understand that code it would be interesting for me to see what theoretically-based methods it is using for the implementation (there are several ways you can approach it and not all of them are equally good). My guess is that the method the bot used here is not one of the better ones and that is why it does not sound that great.
In my undergrad class on "Signals and Systems" this past Fall I posed this question to my students: Write a paragraph to answer the question "Why do you think the signal from a plucked guitar string decays exponentially?”
When I was complaining about the quality of the answers I got, a friend of mine posted the question posed to OpenAI Playground and this is the answer it generated:
The signal from a plucked guitar string decays exponentially because of the natural tendency of sound to dissipate as it moves away from its source. As the sound waves travel outward, they interact with the air and other materials in their path, causing them to gradually lose energy and amplitude. This is why sound waves in open air tend to be weaker than in enclosed spaces. The exponential decay of a plucked guitar string occurs as the sound waves spread out and dissipate, resulting in a slower, more gradual decrease in amplitude.
It totally missed the point of the question and got some things wrong. It is focusing on why sound decays as you move away from the source - that is NOT what I'm asking about (and that also does not decay *exponentially*). The simple answer is this: the motion of strings are governed by a differential equation and we would expect a differential equation to have solutions that involve exponential decay. Since the course spent the whole semester talking about characteristics of differential equations and why exponentials show up, you'd expect them to nail that.
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The approaches it uses are very basic. The first time around, it simply clips the signal
output = input * (1 + gain)
if (output > 1) output = 1
The narrator asks for a more sophisticated algorithm, and the program supplies something with some sort of smoothing curve.
But really, I don't think the interesting thing is the depth of its domain knowledge (which will only increase with time) but rather the fact that it seems to have more or less cracked the natural language problem (which was thought to be a huge problem not so long ago) and has any domain knowledge at all.
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This. Apparently it's even worse for the image version of ChatGPT (DawnAI?) which supposedly even contains pedopornographic images in addition to copyrighted images. Originally Posted by CliffR
I looked at playing with ChatGPT once but bailed when I was asked for private information that shouldn't be relevant (IIRC my cell number) and that I'd definitely not want to associate with an otherwise publicly available AI.
"Fun" fact: the AGF wouldn't be itself if it didn't have a rule against posting ChatGPT output. Not that I'm calling that into question (I'd never allow myself to do such a thing
) but I do wonder how they verify that 
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Amazing technology.
I asked it about a non-music health care topic and it gave a firm answer, completing dismissing something. In fact, the technical literature is not completely dismissive of that issue. So, the bot seemed to get something wrong.
The specific content doesn't matter. What I found interesting is that we can anticipate that the AI programs are going to sound very convincing, whether or not they're right. And, if everybody uses the same one, say, instead of google, there is a real risk of knowledge getting buried.
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My day job has been machine learning engineering for the past 10 years. I work with this kind of tech on a daily basis. I’ve got lots of opinions on this stuff but my 2 second hot take is that that is a good representative case study of what chat gpt can and can’t do.
CAN: digest and present information in idiomatic “natural language”. It can speak very confidently about the subject at hand.
CANNOT: guarantee deep or even accurate information about the subject. Notice how many times the creator of that video had to manually debug the code. I’m sure it was full of compiler and runtime errors. Additionally, the clipping algorithm it came up with was extremely simplistic (as was the GUI).
I think the linguistic fluidity and confidence has wowed the layman but we’re talking about a smooth talking bot with a mediocre education. I wouldn’t be concerned about people losing their jobs just yet. Where I see automation really impacting jobs is in handling simple tasks, not complex ones. As such I don’t expect jobs to be wholly replaced but they will all be impacted by new forms of information retrieval and task automation. I once wrote a “bot” that could automatically populate case law citations for any legal writing. This was back in 2015. The application context of something like that wouldn’t be that lawyers become extinct: instead, people would be able to write more quickly and citations would be auto populated/recommended, saving the author hours of writing time per case. Imagine 10xing the revenue of your law practice by automating all the tedious work.
I sold too much shit on reverb this year. I wonder if chat gpt can outperform my cpa on a tax return.
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I agree. ChatGPT will allow the quick time layout of basic css, html etc.. which you can then pick apart to get correct.
Someone who doesn’t know any code, will still likely be better off paying a coder, to write the code properly.
I should be able to produce large amount of arduino programming that i can correct as and when to get me started which is a huge help.
All of your other comments I also agree with.
I can’t wait to see what it will be like in 3-5 years.Last edited by Archie; 01-01-2023 at 09:07 AM.
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You do see the problem with that, no? I'd not be concerned about laywers getting extinct (more about them NOT getting extinct... Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
) but rather about the current representants of natural intelligence who'll go out of job. Sure, in an ideal world we'd all be enjoying the help of an army of Threepios and Artoos to do the tedious ordeals ... but we'd have to be a lot less populous than we are.
(Sorry, 01/01s nor Mondays ever agreed much with me - this Sunday feels like one in case you were wondering)
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College kids are using it already to write their papers for them.
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Presumably, it's going to get better. Eventually, I'd imagine that it could eventually write the code, test it, and then revise it -- repeatedly and seemingly instantaneously. And, it doesn't even have to be perfect, just usable. Hard to see where this is going, but it seems like a pretty big deal. Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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I was a Phd student in the same institution with someone who is currently one of the top researches in OpenAI. We taught a course together. My area was in a different subdiscipline of AI (not machine learning). My day job is also research and development (in C++). I can see the ChatGpt type of technology becoming a plugin for an IDE like Visual Studio very soon. AI assisted software development will surely improve programmer productivity. I don't see it making good programmers obsolete anytime soon. Many professions will become AI assisted in the near future. In fact, it already is to some extent. Effective use of Google is an important part of job productivity in any profession.
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Somewhere, something in me (a remnant of the me who once wrote a thesis pitting natural smartness against artificial intelligence?) almost hopes a Butlerian jihad. That's a joke of course. Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
Well, mostly ...
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There is something about this fascinating technology that reminds me of the way singers and musicians get together in Nashville these days for a writing session to "brainstorm" a new song--as if great art was ever generated by a committee. You'll come up with a song alright. It will look like a song, sound like a song, walk like a song, quack like a song...but it probably won't be a great song that people love and remember for decades. Some little kernel of human creative brilliance will be missing. Ain't this that writ large?
P.S. This post was generated by ForumChatGPT.Last edited by Flat; 01-01-2023 at 10:28 PM.
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Professional software types have been using this for open source code snippets for awhile.
Songwriters can use it to get unstuck.
Curious minds can get a question answered.
Tip of the iceberg.
And it hasn't even been around very long. And it's free.
Be curmudgeon. Be old and fixed and fearful. Or.. be amazed.
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Eureka! I just used ChatGPT to generate my own private Idaho of a jazz guitar forum! There are 12,000 members, all jazz guitar players or aficionados with various skill sets and experiences from countries all over the world! It's awesome! I call it MetaJGO_GPT.
Bug list: Curiously, all members save me use enumerated handles starting with HAL9001. I have some work to do.
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. Originally Posted by Flat
A lot of great music was written by a sort of
committee in the 60’s and 70’s at certain record labels.
wasn’t that how Carol Simon started?
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Carol Simon. The youngest daughter of James Taylor. Briefly married to Paul Simon, the founder of the Simon & Shoestore publishing empire. Her prominent lower jaw served as the prototype for a jawbone pulled from the skeletal remains of a deceased ape that was used as a weapon representing the initial act of tool-based intraspecies violence in the 1968 science-fiction film classic, The Fantastic Voyage. Awarded the prize for Artist of the Year by Warren Beatty at the 2017 Grammy Awards, the award was quickly withdrawn due to clerical error.
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Post generated by ForumChatGPT, v1.1Last edited by Flat; 01-02-2023 at 01:08 AM.
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It seems to be doing what a search engine does, in a smug sort of way. Is that all there is?
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Remember PopCorn - the song? If I am not mistaken that was also written by a piece of AI (attempts at AI are really not new). PopCorn was a hit at least in some EU countries, but all further attempts to create a follow-up led to songs that were just too similar. Originally Posted by Flat
Until in the 80s a dash of natural intelligence was added by the Matterhorn Project, to create MUH!
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I'm somewhat familiar with AI technology. I wrote code in Prolog and Lisp in my second tour through graduate school when the addition of a hard drive to the IBM PC XT was still a big thing and the Internet was a recent DARPA escapee. This was after seven years at Berkeley studying English and other natural languages, and subsequently exploring the universal language of music at GIT. I remain excited and hopeful about the prospects of AI technology but prudently cognizant of its dangers and limitations. I certainly don't mean to be dismissive. In my opinion, it is inevitably part of our collective future. And although the codger in me holds a special reverence for the human element in the finest art, I have seen some beautiful surrealistic artwork generated with the support of AI. And I consider all of this stuff to be damn good fun. I don't think I know Popcorn but I will look forward to taking a listen. Cheers.
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I'm sure you've heard it... Originally Posted by Flat
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I used to be on a forum where someone claimed to have been on a committee that wrote the “Friends” TV show theme song. Met for hours daily and debated every word. Still gets royalties. I believed her. Originally Posted by ArchtopHeaven
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