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07-15-2022 09:29 PM
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Ovations have their own sound. I have one that I bought in 1972, a very early model. I've never really been in love with the amplified tone. The bridge pickup died long ago, and Ovation shipped me a new electronics package, complete, for free, so it's more modern than the original. It has a trebly tone, perhaps close to what you're looking for. Larry Carlton used an Ovation for some time, IIRC, as did Philip Catherine and a few more. Charlie Byrd used an Ovation nylon string for awhile. Used Ovations can be had rather cheaply, often under $500. Mine has a very small neck, thin and narrow, which you may or may not like. They seem to be guitars that people either love or hate.
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That's a terrific clip and I love the tone.
Clearly she has a very nice touch, which contributes, as does the amplification.
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Emily is using her fingers instead of a pick, so that opens up a whole bag of variables. What do you use? Can you acquire the touch that she posseses? I would have a hard time doing what she does, but I am trying by studying some classical guitar.
Her amp setup is a large part of her tone here. Plus she's using Chorus as an effect. That colors her tone quite a bit.
Good luck finding your Tone.
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Hi Jesse! What I hear from the clip trough my modest laptop is ample use of chorus. Your SuperBlock/Metro rig is so small that you can easily take it to a music store if there's any nearby. A guitar you might want to try is Epi Casino Coupe: inexpensive, small and in a way related to Emily's main axe ES-330. I get a variety of nice sounds from a blend of its P90s, from very dark through "fruity" to bright. My main Toob/Metro test guitar is the cousin EPI ES 339 which, thanks to coil splitting, is a real Swiss Army guitar and built like one.
Cheers,
Markku
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Ovations can sound good through a guitar amp, full range, flat speakers help. The bass varies with bowl depth, deep bowls have a deep punch. Mid bowls are a good compromise, thin bowls need to be plugged in.
In that video Emily is using an Elite model. It looks like the 1984 Collectors edition.
Both Elites and the round sound hole models sound good, you should try both if possible to see what works for you. The late better models had contour bowls which are closer to mid depth with deep bowl sound and a shape that is easier for newbies to hold.
If budget intrudes you might think about going to a full range speaker first.
For your Epiphone and Ibanez, adjusting the pickup height can really help. For a floater it might involve repositioning the mounting screws or some discrete bending. Bronze strings are nice.
I'd skip nickle rounds or flatwounds on the Ovation but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
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If you need a guitar that can go from smokey to twangy, with a longer scale length, that travels well, takes flat wounds as well as elixirs, and that can protect you if someone tries to rob you, then you need a telecaster.
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That Remler video is so 1980s. Including the Ovation. Emily Remler would sound good on many different guitars. I have two Ovations. One super shallow bowl sound good for finger picking and one mid depth bowl which wins with a flat pick. Soundboard makes a difference and so do string gauge. One player who inspired me to try thinner guitars was Eva Cassidy. She used a Guild Songbird which is on my wishing list, but they are not easy to come by. Some kind of tone shaping will be necessary wirh most piezo pickups. Among the Ovation pickups variants the OCP1 (the wide one) sounds better (to me). Not all like the round back shape.
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That tone has lots of chorus and compression (possibly from filming/video etc.). Is she going direct?
If you like Ovations you may like Godins, which I see as a more modern alternative for acoustic-electric instruments. Although ovations do have their own sound, and usually great playability, Godins have better electronics, and are easier to find. They are the pro standard these days for that type of instrument.
But Spain is a great place to find guitars! You can go to Granada and visit all the small shops where you can buy great guitars at great prices.
To me, all these types of instruments do sacrifice acoustic tone for feedback control and general ease when playing live. You can definitely work with this sound, but they can't really compete with a real great acoustic or classical for sound and response. Perhaps inspiration would lie there!
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I just listened to the clip, and that really doesn't sound much like any Ovation I've ever heard. If that's the sound you like, get a chorus pedal and you can get it from almost any guitar.
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It is a given that any guitar-related question of the form: "How do I X,Y or Z?" can be answered 97% of the time by "Get a Telecaster." The other 3% is probably "Get an ES-175."
Originally Posted by JohanAbrandt
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Well I am going against the grain, but I do not find the sound of the Remler clip at all appealing. To me it lacked definition and clarity with each note in the chords. It does not sound like a typical Ovation. Now as far as Ovation I am not a fan of the guitars at all. First they are difficult to hold to the point of irritation physically and mentally for me. They don't sound like and archtop, they don't sound too much like regular flat top. I realize many folks just love them, but me I have no need to ever want to see one in my hands.
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Yeah, and I usually play it safe with “get a tele and an es 175”, but I gambled a bit Originally Posted by citizenk74
It is a given that any guitar-related question of the form: "How do I X,Y or Z?" can be answered 97% of the time by "Get a Telecaster." The other 3% is probably "Get an ES-175."
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I got an Ovation thin in '92 for a theatre gig that wanted a more acoustic vibe. Played through a Mesa 22 Calibre. It worked great. Still have it, but with a few decent archtops around it hasn't been out of the bag in about 6 years.
Unwound strings do tend towards 'plinky'. You can start to hear that towards the end where Emily goes plectrum. She does get a great sound out of it. Appears to me she might be using flat wounds, which is also a bit different. Johnny McL has probably used it more than anyone I can think of in 'jazz' recordings. It is it's own thing.
I could never get 100% comfortable with the bowl back. Works fine over the right leg, but I play a more classical posture or stand and the guitar top slants out and away from me at the bottom and is kinda unstable. Could have something to do with my bowl belly though :-)
Try before you buy is a really good idea if possible. Especially if you're not an 'over the right leg' guy.Last edited by ccroft; 07-16-2022 at 02:34 PM.
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I love my Ovation, 1991 Custom Legend. Plays like an electric. A dream to play, really. Sounds big. Doesn't sound like wood, but doesn't sound like "plastic" either... to me, it's like a guitar version of a baby grand piano (which also doesn't "sound like wood" to me.)
It's plugged in sound is very good, as good as friends' new acoustics with the under saddle piezos... actually, the Ovation sounds better than some of them. Ovation knew what they were doing, and made great stuff.
I ignore anyone who bags on them for being "of an era" or "not all-wood", that's just ignorance. Great guitars with their own sound. Play amazing.
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I had a friend who was an excellent pianist and he lived half the year here in California and the other half in Mexico. It really made it difficult for his music career. It seemed to me (and I did work with him), that as soon as so momentum was building, he was getting on a plane and leaving.
He was not a Jazz player. He was a good song writer, in a John Lennon type rock style. Also just local type gigs.
I have lived in a super small pace (5000 people?) and it took awhile to connect with the local musicians. One thing that helped was teaching guitar. It was easy to put an add up in the small local newspaper. Things started to click a little, and all of the sudden it was time to move and buy a house. I also had a job that allowed for me to deal with (in positive ways) the community. Word of mouth also helped get me some music work. (Back then I was still engineering).
Every time I have moved, it has always slowed down any music work. It always seems to take about five years for things to start rolling.
That is all my relevant experiences in that area of thought.
There is also headphones, computer, audio interface, and modeling program, if you want to hear an amp(ish) sound while practicing quietly.
I did a lot of just electric guitar With out amp practice. (It was at a overnight work. If things were not quiet, I was working). It seemed to make me focus a lot more, but it did end up with me tilting my head towards the guitar. That is something to be aware of because bad posture can cause problems.
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This Forum section is supposed to be about gear rather than sentiment. Yet, opening up about how you feel is more than welcome. I don't think a new guitar - or anything short of a major reorientation - will resolve what sounds like an artistic crisis. I do have an idea on your block chord proficiency. Could only dream of it. That it's in no demand in a small Spanish location is no surprise - jazz is marginal. My son (50 next year), used to play in a successful cover rock band. He's into the Hendrix-Van Halen-Holdsworth-Vai tradition - not hip-hop or rap that today's party organizers request. No demand anymore.
If your income from teaching is anywhere sufficient, I suggest you "stick to the knitting", i.e. keep up your best skills and hope to find use for them in the next trimester somewhere else. If not, the SuperBlock can be powered by 9V DC for a decent open-air performance. One of the positive consequences of Covid is that busking is no longer viewed as pitiful.
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Which in itself is an argument to get a tele. Originally Posted by citizenk74
It is a given that any guitar-related question of the form: "How do I X,Y or Z?" can be answered 97% of the time by "Get a Telecaster." The other 3% is probably "Get an ES-175."
You have just answered my one question with the, tele will always work problem. The only question I had was, can we falsify the “a tele will always work” statement? If we can not then we have the same problems that Hobbs (people always act out of selfishness), and Socrates had (people only act immorally because they lack knowledge).
Yes, we can falsify it by explaining that a tele will always work, except when a only an ES-175 will do.
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