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I have a Deviser Seventy-seven Guitars Exrubato Hollow, a copy of the ES-330 with humbuckers, just like Emily Remler's. It is a sweet sounding thinline hollowbody. I have the Exrubato Jazz, too, with a spruce laminated top.
There are alternatives to Gibson, if anyone is looking.
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04-08-2022 11:10 PM
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Gibson made the ES-195 which was a thinline ES-175 with a Trini Lopez hockey stick headstock and Bigsby. ES-135. ES-137. ES-390 which was a shrunken ES-330. Great sounding and playing guitars.
Gee, miss the Henry Juskewicz years already.
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The British jazz guitarist Terry Smith said he played a 330, because he was a small guy, and that was the only guitar he could play comfortably back in the 1960s.
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I’m not alone in being unaware of the 175T. I found this JGO thread asking about it in 2015, and I Googled it. They were made in ‘76-‘79 according to a few sources. By then, I’d soured on new Gibsons and the company making them. I stopped collecting their catalogs shortly after Norlin soiled the punch bowl, and I never bought another new one after my ‘69 L5-CN.
Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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Incidentally I wonder why jazz players still seem to prefer the 335 over the 330. Grant Green sure sounds great. Is the 335 inherently a more versatile design or is it a question of availability?
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Might be a question of feedback potential.
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An Eastman T64 is also an excellent alternative. I happen to have one for sale on this forum. Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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Probably just a pickup preference Originally Posted by m_d
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My 175T was a 79.
Found it at the Cherry Hill Guitar Center in about 98-99. Sold it a very nice guy in Spain via eBay. He owned a popsicle factory)
Had a thinness to the sound that did nothing for me.
No center block. Straight on it looked like a 175, until you turned it.
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With the center block a 335 can be played louder and with much more distortion than the completely hollow 330. Typical user: Larry Carlton. A 330 OTOH has a warmer and more "acoustic" tone – most players play it without much distortion, because it is a feedback machine if you switch on the fuzz. Originally Posted by m_d
My personal experience: I had a 335 (even an expensive "custom shop" sample that I traded for a George Harrison Tribute Rosewood Telecaster – I still regret that) for a couple of weeks but honestly didn't like it very much. It's more like a solid body guitar with just a hint of acoustic properties. If I dialed in the warm tone that I wanted (my strategy is to dial back the volume just a little bit and leave the tone knob open) it got lost in the mix of our organ trio. if I dialed in a tone that wouldn't get lost (with a bit of bridge pickup in the mix) I didn't like it much, always to spiky. Maybe the specific guitar just wasn't that good?
Eventually I sold it and got a 330. I'm much happier with that. It's got that woody tone, is light and the first fret is much more comfortable to reach. It came with roundwound strings which gave it a piano like clarity but I soon changed to flats to get that punchy, percussive tones I want. The guitar is very comfortable to play also. And it looks like Grant Green's iconic guitar. ;-)
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Quoting directly from Grant Green's interview in Guitar Player magazine, January 1975.
Although Grant's first guitar was a Harmony, he played Gibsons during most of his early career in St. Louis and New York. "I'm definitely not a Gibson fan, though," he states emphatically. "Today's Gibsons don't sound as good as Gibsons of years ago." Two of his most recent instruments have been an Epiphone "Emperor" and Gibson L-7 respectively. He played each for several years, until 1973, at which time he acquired something he has always wanted - a hand-carved guitar.
For over a year now he and listeners have enjoyed his D'Aquisto "New Yorker Deluxe", an arched, acoustic made by New York luthier, Jimmy D'Aquisto. It's a single cutaway with medium-wide neck for Grant's good-sized hands. Today the guitar is valued at $2,500. Grant says his D'Aquisto plays easier and sounds better than any guitar he has ever hard. He says the neck shape and size is just right for him, allowing smooth playing; he describes the tone as funky and pretty at the same time.
Aside from mother-of-pearl initials ("GG") inlaid in the fingerboard, the only other modification specifically for Grant is a specially-made pickup that was installed for him in place of a DeArmond pickup which came with the guitar. Bill Lawrence - at one time a design engineer with Gibson - offered to make a special low-impedance pickup for Grant, just as he had done for Wes Montgomery. Grant accepted the offer and says his special pickup sounds better than the DeArmond, but adds that only Lawrence could explain why.
Grant plugs into a Gibson Les Paul LP-12 amp which contains four 12" speakers and two 10" horns. It contains vibrato (wavering of pitch), tremolo (wavering of volume) and vibrola (combination of vibrato and tremolo). For variety Grant uses the vibrola only - ever vibrato or tremolo alone.
Grant prefers D'Aquisto light gauge, flat-wound strings because he gets the highs and lows he likes. The flat-wounds also enable him to move faster across the neck. He changes strings every six weeks to two months. Although he admits that string tone gets worse as strings age, he says it's an ordeal keeping new strings in tune on the bandstand - and besides, "people want to hear you entertain, not tune a guitar."
He uses a D'Aquisto pick for the same reason he uses D'Aquisto strings: According to Grant, if it is recommended by D'Aquisto, it's quality. He always uses a small, stiff pick and has never used finger picks or bare fingers.Last edited by David B; 04-10-2022 at 08:10 AM.
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When I get into a Grant Green mood…..
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Mt first and still favorite GG lp, originally issued as a Dave Bailey lp, "Reaching Out" Originally Posted by Little Jay
When I get into a Grant Green mood…..
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Little Jay, that looks like a classy afternoon.
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Yup! The old Philips (1956!) radio and record player makes those records sound very authentic! A cherished piece if furniture I inherited from my late grandparents. Originally Posted by guavajelly
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We had an ancient Phillips AM/FM radio about the size of a refrigerator in the late 50s. I spent a lot of time listening to "WCKY, Cincinnati, Ohio" and "WWVA, Wheeling, West Virginia" hearing some old, old country/folk tunes and the then-nascent Bluegrass pioneers and rockabilly tunes. Good times! Originally Posted by Little Jay
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I have a Gibson ES 330 from the sixties for sale in Cologne Germany.
It is red, has 2 P90s and is of course a short scale guitar.
All original but Trapez converted to stop tailpiece and "new tuners" (installed decades ago and actually quite smooth tuning).
Reverb pricing is currently in between 6.000 and 8.000€. So I'll accept offers in this range.
Vintage case is included
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