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Originally Posted by Hammertone
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11-30-2021 01:29 PM
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A real stunner!
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Originally Posted by guildx500
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Hammer
you’re a mean spirited clown and enjoy pissing on other people‘s new gear day threads
start taking your meds again kid
BigMike
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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Originally Posted by Will Whateley
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
My advice: If you want a fine hand carved archtop with a D'Angelico tailpiece, buy a genuine D'Angelico. That is what I did.
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Mr.Triggs has already been informed to cease making D’A style guitars of any kind or he will be sued by the new D’A company. They put patents on the design and tp.
A single little luthier doesn’t stand a chance against a big corporation.
Lets not forget the Ibanez lawsuit guitars.
The deepest pocket wins.
I liked the Vestax made D’A’s but don’t care for this new company at all.
These new cheap knockoffs are not worthy of the name.
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Mr. Triggs sure displays his guitars with DA styling on his webpage: Archtops | triggsguitars
You are right Vinny, if Triggs had to fight the Arizona Iced Tea fortune in Court, it would be expensive, and probably not worth it.
I too do not care for the new D'Angelico company. They have not respected the brand properly, IMO.
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Maybe so, but I'm still pissed off at the International Olympic Committee lawyers for shutting down the Oyster Olympics in Seattle! Defending their brand at the expense of the oyster for christ sake! It was a great event. Proceeds went to protecting Puget Sound, it helped small businesses (shellfish), and the one day event was all you can eat, paired with local wines!
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The current owners of the D'Angelico company have TRADEMARKS, not patents, on what various guitar bits bits and pieces look like, or how they are visually distinguished. Trademarks are different from patents, and are nation-based. Their trademark application for similar items in Europe was rejected. European guitar makers can use those visual styles on their own instruments. It is not against trademark law to install an existing D'Angelico-style tailpiece on a guitar that is not being represented as a D'Angelico guitar, but it is against trademark law to represent a guitar as being a D'Angelico when it is not.
-BozoLast edited by Hammertone; 12-12-2021 at 07:16 PM.
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
For what it's worth, the online records at USPTO do not show any patents or patent applications from D'angelico for tailpieces and/or headstocks (they have a couple design patents on pickguards). See Google Patents
They do have trademarks on various design components of DA guitars, see D'Angelico Guitars of America, LLC Trademark Registration D'Angelico Guitars of America, LLC Trademark Registration
The headstock one linked above was first applied for in 2017, on an alleged first use in 1994. If someone was using the mark prior to the trademark's applciation, they are generally considered to be a prior user and exempt, at least in the areas where he was selling guitars. But this can be an expensive issue to resolve and as others have said, Arizona Ice Tea can swing their weight around and independent luthiers like Campellone and Triggs probably don't want to spend a whole bunch of money just to be able to sell a couple extra guitars a year.
For what its worth, the story I heard about Triggs was that early in his independent career he was making DA style guitars that actually said D'angelico on the headstock--Jimmy D'Aquisto saw one and told him it was a fine guitar but in no uncertain terms to stop putting D'Angelico's name on the guitar and use his own. If he has been sent a C&D on the headstock/tailpiece recently the I guess he just ran out of f*cks to give
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
Its plain as day those guitars weren't being presented as Fenders and Gibsons...its says Tokai and Ibanez in plain english right on the headstock Compare with fake gucci bags you buy on the streets of NYC...but in each case, these headstocks were so similar to the trademarked version of gibson/fender that a case could be made that a consumer would think the tokai and ibanez guitars were actually gibson/fender. The trademark holder could also also argue the use of the trademark on "inferior" instruments weakened ("diluted") the value of its own trademark. Note the maple (?) fretboard on what I imagine is supposed to be a les paul custom with ebony board
Pedantic note - Patents, like trademarks, are enforced at the national level, there is not such thing as an international patent
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In the early 90s the D’Angelico family commissioned Heritage, Triggs and Michael A Lewis to build replicas faithful to an excel and a New Yorker. I own an Excel and New Yorker made by Hrritage, exemplary guitArs
i Also oen a Triggs New Yorker but it says Triggs on the headstock
Anyway hammer has managed to piss all over vinnie’s new gear day thread with this argument
I think I’ll have to put hammer back on my block list because the guy is a hopeless tool
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There is a lot of assumptions on my TP. A couple shadows were seen that made some people jump to conclusions and think they know the design but certainly not the entire design, scroll work, or special engraving. It is a one of a kind that no other guitar in the world has. Built by a sourced out master metal working artist.
Leave it at that. It will never be shown and a bleak shadow doesn’t mean much.
Start a separate post regarding patents and trademarks debates please. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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Absolutely beautiful guitar! I imagine with the built-in humbucker it sounds as smooth as silk. Is the rim depth 3”?
AKALast edited by AKA; 12-11-2021 at 05:34 PM.
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Originally Posted by AKA
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Originally Posted by citizenk74
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Vinny, I am a bit late to the party, but I wanted to congratulate you on your new instrument. I hope that it brings you many years of playing joy just as my guitars have brought me.
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Originally Posted by iim7V7IM7
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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It is hard to imagine Satriani ‘surfing with aliens’ on a Les Paul though!
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Nature abhors a vacuum.
By the time Gibson reacted to Hoshino and others, it was too late - all of the key Gibson products had already been copied and finessed by the Japanese, and Gibson's terrible management, bad quality control and non-competitive pricing, made it very easy for the Japanese to become significant players, with plenty of room for innovation. Not a lot of force, just a sustained, gentle sucking.
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