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The Jim Hall model is now $6k + shipping. Wow.
Sadowsky Jim Hall 2021 Sienna Burst (#A1950) | Sadowsky | Reverb
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06-16-2021 07:46 AM
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Seems like a lot of money for a laminated guitar made in Japan even if Sadowsky's shop sets it up in NYC.
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A large Price Jump!
I bought mine in 2014 at $4700 then it went to $5100, now $6000-
Don't be fooled by it being a laminate, the sound is still unbelievably warm and sweet!
Nothing else sounds like it...
Have a listen with Lage Lund:
https://www.amazon.com/Marcus-Gilmor.../dp/B004STMML4
You can get a used one in the 4k range or less still....
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Oh my, much better buys out there in guitars for sure. If he made the guitar I could see it even laminated but as it is no go.
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Originally Posted by jazzimprov
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Sadowsky has been raising all their prices for a long time. Given a choice between building more and charging more, I would much rather they charge more. Forget about laminate vs solid woods. I think it's more important that a lot of really serious music has been made with their guitars and I've never heard a single bad word about them.
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Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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Stephen Holst presses his own great sounding laminate plates IMHO! Send him the specs the Jim Hall and he'll build a laminate for $3500, plus he'll add features you may prefer (inlays, fret/neck dimensions, bindings etc). I basically had him copy a Borys B-120 for me:
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
BTW, there is a model that I think would be pretty close to perfect for me but the only way to get one would be to sell every guitar I own. I might consider it if I got to keep just one of my five.
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Given the price of wood in general these days, it's not surprising. If you've tried to purchase a 2x4 lately, what was maybe $2.50 a year ago is now triple that or more. Here's a good article that nicely summarizes what's behind the increases:
thehustle.co
John Galich
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Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Ever since Jim Hall had Jimmy D'Aquisto optimize the design of the 175, it's gone on to become a real prestige and apex instrument for jazz. I've considered the Sadowsky's to be among the finest in that genre. I've been waiting for this price jump and it doesn't come as unexpected to me.
There are models out there that I've long considered the peers of these instruments and though a little more work to find on the used market, they're out there for a lot less money.
IMHO the Ibanez Joe Pass (JP20) with a qualifier of switching out the pickup to a Gibson-esque PAF is a front runner for those searching for these types of guitars. They are among the best built and really GOOD sounding jazz guitars, and very comfortable.
These so closely duplicated Jimmy's instrument that it caused a rift between Jimmy and Joe, whom the former considered the Ibanez Pass a betrayal. They're still out there to be found.
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The wood being used in guitars currently built should have been purchased many years ago. If a builder is using newly bought wood in newly made guitars, I want nothing to do with them. Wood has to be aged and dried for at least a few years before it's suitable for use in instruments.
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Originally Posted by sgosnell
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Price of wood goes up, the price of my instruments goes up. My stocked and aged wood is worth much more than it did when I got it. Laminated wood, like we're talking in these guitars on this thread, is not really subject to the same considerations of drying and aging. They take a log, a green log, and peel off the layers like a giant roll of toilet paper. So the price is higher but the quality is pretty much consistent.
If the price of wood goes down though, large companies rarely adjust downwardly to accommodate the buyer.
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Uh - oh - - - -this is starting to sound like the ( in - ) famous ' laminated maple vs laminated spruce ' discussion.......
....or are we now into aged laminated maple vs new laminated spruce.....and does it matter if only one of the laminates is aged, or must they all be ?....
......and don't forget the glue - must that be ' ten year old single ('hide' ) ' hyde' aged in an oak barrel ' ??...
........ah yes who has more fun than us ... : ) .......Last edited by Dennis D; 08-16-2021 at 01:41 PM.
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Originally Posted by Dennis D
As a matter of fact, the Del Jesu violin was made from a stack of scraps and leaves but bonded with the secret laminate glue. The grain lines were painted on by hand.
These secrets of lamination were passed on in a secret luthier guild lineage.
So secret was this formula that if anyone came anywhere on the property of the Stradavarius estate, elaborate protocols would be enacted to make this adhesive "mother lode" all but disappear from anywhere to be found.
This is the true origin of the original "Hide" glue.
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‘Espionage Strumpets”... that could be a great name for a band.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
Roger Borys made the laminate tops for Jim Hall's D"Aquisto.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
And then, if I understand correctly, the legacy continued with Jimmy helping Roger Borys get started, and he makes fantastic instruments of this type. I have a B-160 and love it.
And Trenier was making a variant of this type as well, the Jazz Special.
Lots of interest in this style even among high end luthiers.
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Originally Posted by jmgalich
Danny W.
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For that price, Sadowsky should at least go back to nitrocellulose lacquer. A plywood guitar could easily be worth its value at $6k (Trenier and Borys set the precedent), but the cheap feeling poly has been a huge turn off on every Sadowsky I've played.
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