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Originally Posted by jaco
"Remember that guitar (or car or bike or whatever) I wanted when I was a kid? Well now that I've got some money I'm gonna get one!"
A short time later after researching on the internet: "OMG I can't believe what these go for now. Are they CRAZY??"
Shortly after that sighs and enters credit card information into the auction site...
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03-02-2021 03:14 PM
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I want a Korean Epi ER. Bloody great guitars.
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I've had three 90's and early 2000s Epiphones, and they're nice enough for the money, but honestly they're intermediate level, not "heirloom" instruments. A used Emperor Regent is worth 6-800 bucks tops. I had the common issues others here have listed- muddy sounding pickups, tarnishing of the "gold" finishes, heavy poly finish. One of the JP's i owned had marginal intonation, it and a Broadway I had both had bad pickup switches. At one point, I considered upgrading my JP (after owning it for over 20 years!) until I found one that had already been worked on, for about what an upgrade would have cost. It was an improvement, but in the budget archtop category I moved on to a D'Angelico Excel.
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Nailed it..
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Buyer motivation is a key factor. I've just (knowingly) overpaid by at least 15% in order to be 100% certain of securing a guitar I've been looking for since 1975, after my original was stolen.... the cost is deginitely "worth it" TO ME ..... delivery imminent
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Originally Posted by Ray175
If so, you paid what it took to take the guitar out of the market. Give yourself credit for not letting the 'experts' sway you.
The expert says: " You're paying too much. "
Then the shopper says: " Well, maybe - - but do you - or anyone you know - have one for that 'right' price now ? "
The expert says: " Why uh, no I don't have one or uh, know of any, but one could pop up, possibly, maybe, I mean you never know . "
Whatever that 10% premium was, it may have done two good things - -- gotten you the guitar you want * and * given you the good fortune of no longer listening to that ' expert '. : )
Just MHO
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Originally Posted by Dennis D
I understand the motivation, but a lot of times it leads to demonizing the seller, especially if a car dealer or chain guitar store or other large corporation. However, salesmen and sellers want to make a living too. So I don't begrudge someone making a profit, as long as it's within reason.
A great deal I think is where the buyer and the seller both feel satisfied with the deal.
A bit of a digression, but I'm sure many of you have been to the Middle East. It's a *challenging* experience to haggle over there, and often just to walk around a crowded market.
"Sir, please come look. I'll give you a great deal, but just for you. Don't tell anyone else about it."
"I don't need a hookah."
"Sir, only 200 shekels."
"That's too much, and I don't need one."
"OK 100 shekels."
"Sorry, I'm in a hurry."
"20 shekels, and just for you sir. My final offer."
Now how am I gonna fit a hookah in my luggage?
True story.
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Originally Posted by skykomishone
But what determines the demand? I am sure that direct and indirect marketing, and also the press, and also the community has impact. So we are not closer to the answer to why? Like what is the difference between the squirrel and the rat? (their press)
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Originally Posted by Gabor
Also squirrels do not harbor plague.
I am sure those all ("direct and indirect marketing, and also the press, and also the community") fit into the category of perceived value.Last edited by Doctor Jeff; 03-03-2021 at 12:58 PM.
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Jazzmasters and Jaguars were found in junk shops, in the 1980s. Sonic Youth found them there, and made them hip.
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subsequent question
why are we guitar players so in thrall
to the past .... ?
all these old guitars
all these guitars made to look old
relic-ing .... do what ?
it’s as if all the good music has
already been made ....
oh wait ....
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Originally Posted by Litterick
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Sonic Youth might have made them cool, but Kurt Co ain made them marketable.
My favorite Thurston Moore quote:
"Before Guns n Roses, you could get a Les Paul for like ten bucks.
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Vintage Guitar publishes a price guide every October for about $25, U.S. For the U.S. market it is helpful. If you have a bunch of guitars (as if-> on a forum like this) it can be fun looking up current values. It can also be fun to look for missing entries. I find it helps set a value when buying or selling.
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It’s funny..
My Emperor Regent is fast becoming one of my favorite guitars that I’ve ever had.
The underdog syndrome applies here in spades. The EER plays the role of the fighter not the thriver to a “T”.
It doesn’t copy anything. It has its own name on the headstock. The vine of life. The odd Epi pickguard. It’s a 17” archtop with a perfect neck and a 3” depth. Trinity. And we bought ours and didn’t get in trouble for it.
It’s the best deal in the business. And I am proud of the one I have. I love it, and I make it feel like it’s a Monteleone on my wall.
Thanks for praising this wonderful guitar. It is a sweetheart.
JD
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Originally Posted by Max405
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Originally Posted by JazzyJeff
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What a buyer is willing to pay for it.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Slash just made them cool again for like the 5th time...
Originally Posted by Max405
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Value down, limited audience, or not sellable...
Hockey stick, snake, and other non standard head.
Tremolo
Single cut Semi hollow
Volute
Wood used in body all wrong
Physical marks, perish forbid, signs of use.
It's in a bad color
Too big
Too small
Wrong year
Value up...
Joe Schmo famous player plays one +$ with name on head
Joe Schmo famous player plays one and it has cigarette burns on the head.
Joe Schmo famous player dies +$$$
It's "rare"
Reissue causes original samples that were low value before re-issue to skyrocket in price
Factory burns in raging inferno
U.S, German, Japanese etc. model now exclusively made somewhere else.
How good does it play? Sound? Nah. not important.
I think that about covers it :-0
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What the market will pay and subjective enjoyment.
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I just spent the last two days driving in the Ozark mountains to buy a 1967 Fender Super Reverb and I am very happy with it. The name of the store is Backwoods Guitars and its in Sedalia, Missouri about an hour from Kansas City. He has several different original black face Fender guitar amps from the sixties. The owners name is Aaron and he is reasonable about the value which is market. I paid 1700$ for a nice one. He has a Vibroverb and a Twin , Pro reverb , Super reverb and some others. Some are listed on Reverb as local pickup only. I drove about 8 hours each way but I was able to try before I buy so I didnt mind. In fact I went for the ProReverb and liked the SR better its my fifth Super Reverb but the Pro is nice but needs a little work and is available for 1500 since its not modernized with 3 prong and might need filter caps. HAPPY HUNTING!!!!
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The Vibroverb is a Stevie Ray price since its older 1961 and I think because of him its about double the price of the other Blackface Fenders. Rare and celeb cred drives them up I guess but those 15 inch speakers sure sound good for jazz guitar!
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The OP's question is like - why does a girl like him and not you?
Is it his hair?
His build? His looks? His car?
Ultimately, it's just that she likes him and not you.
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