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Originally Posted by Spook410
I think modelers that you can get at cheap price points are way better than ones you could have got say 10 years ago.
But, at the very high end, it’s a different story. Fractal Audio - the price of their new top offerings has been the same $2500. And they’ve had real bad rollout issues with their latest offering. Bugs that they haven’t been able to fix for months. So, they are not getting cheaper, and audio and feature-wise they are better, but overall product is not necessarily better as parts of it are unusable.
Digital progress is not linear here. It’s asymptotic. Getting that last 10% of audio quality in a stable platform will be very difficult, at any price point. Making it within an average musician’s budget will be even harder.
then, you add the fact that your modeler is obsolete every few years (very little resale value)
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01-08-2021 12:15 PM
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I remember that video cause a ruckus on this site. From donate to underprivileged kids to corporate rights to do what ever they feel is necessary. Surprised you found it.
OTE=BigDaddyLoveHandles;1088501]Mesa Boogie amps are next...
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Originally Posted by Spook410
Tube amps have their fans and will continue to do so moving forward. Mesa has straddled the past while adding the present and future when it comes to tube amps. Smart move on Gibson's part, IMO. Just like buying Epiphone in the 50's was pretty smart.
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Understand your consternation. However reading the article Randy the owner will continue to work with Gibson building amps. Regardless of scepticism, I think it's a win/win for both parties involved.
Originally Posted by Alter
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Gibson might be going public? Hell I'll buy that IPO even for a short term hold.
Originally Posted by Hammertone
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The market for guitars went through the roof for 2020. Lots of younger people buying during pandemic. Fender recorded highest sales for 2020 ever.
Originally Posted by Hammertone
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
I still sometimes think of the brown Super I was late by 15 mins to buy. $1500 about 7 years ago. Even then, I had to think about the price, and of course missed out.
Early silverface (67-68, same circuit as blackface) have crept up to their blackface counterparts as people have become savvy to them being the same amp in different clothing. You could get a 67-68 Vibrolux Reverb for $1000 a few years ago, while the blackface was $3k.
People wouldn't touch a 67-68 Dual Showman Reverb for $400 7-8 years ago even though they were/are just a blackface Twin Reverb in head format. Now they're double that.
You're right, the blackface Twin Reverb's, Vibrolux Reverb's have stayed pretty flat the past years. Tweed Deluxe, brown Vibrolux have topped out at $3k and stayed there for about 8-10 years.
The Concert, in all years, even brown and blackface, were never highly valued, for whatever reason. Same with the blackface Vibrolux non-reverb.
I have no skin in the game. Not trying to promote prices. I only have a 67 Deluxe Reverb that is beat to hell and I have no plans to ever sell.
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Check out the Mesa Boogie's California tweed amplifier.
Originally Posted by HeyNow
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Originally Posted by Wildcat
I don't think IPO is in their future. KKR will extract whatever they can from the legacy and sell. Get whatever they can out of it.
Even if young people buy more guitars, I don't think they're going to pay $8k for a Les Paul. Gibson has basically doubled their asking price on Historic's in the past 6-7 years.
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...I still want one that looks like this - -( no affiliation etc ).....oh well.....
Mesa Boogie Express 5:25 Limited Edition 12" Combo | Reverb
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As always, condition can change the value considerably. Tweed Deluxes for example can go well over 3k now.
Fender Deluxe 1954 Tweed - 100% Original Collectible | Reverb
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
When I read the title of this thread, my immediate reaction was "Oh, no!!!!"
+1 on the hopes that Gibson does not drive this company into the ground. And, yeah, good for Randy, and I hope Mike B is well taken care of in this little shuffle, as well.
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Gibson diversifying, now where have I heard that before?
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From all the companies Gibson did buy in the past, is there a single one that was better afterwards? Can't think of one, all the ones I know were practically either ruined or degraded their quality (and target market) a lot.
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Epiphone
Originally Posted by Alter
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Originally Posted by HeyNow
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So much discussion yet I doubt that many on this forum play Mesa amps ?? ... I could be wrong tho?
But the thing is this .. The owner of Mesa has profited immensely from the sale and can retire to lead a very good life .. While Gibson f...... up the Mesa Boogie brand might well be the best possible outcome, if we take a "big capitalist corporation bad, small one good" holier than thou world view
A f... up of the Mesa Boogie brand will leave room for the smaller boutique amp builders to grow their businesses and give us something fresh instead of something stale.
I can't really see how this in anyway can be seen as bad?Last edited by Lobomov; 01-09-2021 at 03:37 PM.
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Epiphone
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Mesa has built some of the best guitar amplifiers ever and Gibson has built some of the best guitars ever. Both companies can benefit from this merger regardless of the musings of armchair quarterbacks on the Internet (most of whom have never done anything entrepreneurial in their lives).
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Originally Posted by Alter
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I've wanted a Mesa Boogie amp since I saw this ad way back when (1979?)
Wanted that Les Paul, too.
To me, Boogie always stood for an uncompromising level of professional quality. I always knew that any Mesa product was pro quality and not some piece of consumer garbage made to turn a quick profit. Can't say that for many other manufacturers.
I finally bought a MkV25 when they first came out and I was not disappointed although a lot of manufacturers would've assumed that a low watt, lunch box head was for hobbyists and therefore a candidate for cost saving and cutting corners. Not Mesa.
I just hope the "new" Mesa keeps their old philosophies intact.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
My post was not aimed at you, but at those armchair quarterbacks that lament this purchase
I have no problem with it .. My hunch is that it goes good with given that Gibson can boost Mesa's development capital and their marketing capital
But my point was basically, so what if Gibson makes Mesa go belly up? ... The market won't care much, plenty of other builders that can fill that role if need be given a bit of time. I very much doubt that we as consumers are going to suffer much
Knowing you I'm sure we agree on that?
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Three Mesa EL84 amps I've owned--they keep improving them over the years:
Nomad 45 1X12 (Internet photo)
Express Plus 5:25
Mark V 35 (Current Amp):
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I got a Rect-o-verb 50 ... Absolutely killer cleans .. and the fact that the footswitch has a "solo" switch that allows you to turn up the volume by stepping on it is amazing. Each channel has two separate volume knobs. One that sets the normal volume and one controls how much the solo setting turns it up. Such a great idea
But it's Twin Reverb heavy ...
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
And, as you noted regarding your Rect-o-Verb, my IIC is strength-training-in-a-box, especially if it's in the hard case. I think the amp alone is around 80 lbs.
* That can be dialed out, at the expense of a less-bright-and-saturated lead tone. I suspect this shortcoming is what led to subsequent designs that had additional preamp channels for clean, crunch, lead and "modern" lead if I am using the correct marketingspeak.
Originally Posted by Lobomov
Originally Posted by Lobomov
I truly hope that Gibson does NOT f--- up Mesa. That would be a shame. But Gibson's recent track record is not so great.
Originally Posted by Lobomov
$0.02,
SJ
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