Ibanez TS (808) vs Fulltone OCD v2

[Triple_Jazz]

You can get a Peavey Delta Blues used for about $400. It’ll get you there

[CarlD]

I've had and used various tube screamers for over thirty years. Try turning the drive down, even to zero, and the level up, all the way. It doesn't get mushy or saturated, it just seems to fatten things up ... as always, depends on your amp, guitar, pickups, the way you play, etc, etc.

[Joeontheguitar]

The MP Sweet honey was backordered till somewhere march 2021, so I went with the JHS Morning Glory. Indeed very low gain and transparant. Still experimenting with it, but for now it's on my 3 pedals only nano pedalboard.

[christianm77]

The TS808 uses soft symmetrical clipping
The OCD uses hard symmetrical clipping

The SD-1 uses soft asymmetrical clipping (first pedal to do so, almost 40 years ago). The BOSS SD-1 remains among the most natural sounding pedals, still in revision 1, easy to find, inexpensive. For perfectionists, or if you do a lot of studio recording, you may remove the capacitor labeled "C6" from the circuit board (or just cut one leg and leave it in place). All the boutique mods include this because it produces about 80% of these mods' improvements in tone. C6 is the high pass filter for the pedal's tone control circuit; it's removal increases clarity and makes more of the range of the pedal's tone knob usable for good tones.

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Tip - whatever pedal you might select, you can remove the knobs, play through it and turn the shafts until you find the sound you want, then place the knobs back on the shafts with their indicators all straight up at 12 o'clock... makes it easy to return to your preferred settings in seconds, especially if you do this to all your pedals, even a pedal board (in the studio or on stage you can literally just ask anyone to "turn everything to 12" and your rig is all dialed in).

That’s a neat trick!

[christianm77]

I usually use a clean boost for this kind of thing. I use a cheapy TC Electronic one, but the favourites are the EP and RC Boosters by Xotic and the Vertex Boost.

I generally use it for solos - push the amp a little harder where clean headroom is less important. But you can turn these units down to unity and they just fatten everything up. It’s quite common for players to leave the thing on for the whole gig.

However I personally find it helpful to have a boost for soloing. Some people might be happy using the guitar volume, but I find it useful.

[christianm77]

Also, the TS-9 mini I have sounds good with the gain to unity. In my experience TS pedals can vary in how well they do this. Using a TS as a boost rather than an OD pedal per se is a popular way to use this pedal, and it gives you a useful mid hump with a Fender amp.

My Princeton can get quite hairy using these tactics (too hairy for clean chords), but not too driven for jazz line playing.

[TedBPhx]

I use the TC Spark. It’s a Boost not an OD. Its mid boost setting does wonders for a Strat. Gave up trying to use it for the 175. It kind of “smears” the notes as if the attack is delayed.

[pingu]

Help me out here if you can

Which pedal will get me closest to this kinda thing

That is .... clean chords , then breakup when I dig in ?
Through a clean SS amp

cheers

[Joeontheguitar]

Actually most of the pedals that we discussed here, such as the MP Sweet Honey and the JHS MG. They're very responsive to touch, so digging in will get the breakup.

[Triple_Jazz]

Help me out here if you can

Which pedal will get me closest to this kinda thing

That is .... clean chords , then breakup when I dig in ?
Through a clean SS amp

cheers

Hendrix achieved this by using a Fuzz pedal and turning the volume of guitar down by half.

[Northenlights]

Consider another amp before diving into the murky waters of overdrive pedals. Aside from modelers, they are all designed to sound good with a tube amp, and I doubt that you will get any satisfying results unless you start there. Doesn't have to be big or expensive, a 5w champ clone is probably a big step in the right direction.

Combine this with a Klon-style od. To me, they offer the most dynamic and subtle kind of drive in regards to picking style, with a very useful mid hump. Most people demoing Klons are going for a rock tone, but the circuit is capable of much more than that. Once again, you don't need to spend big money on boutique stuff if you don't want to. I paid about 50 euros on a chinese Klone on ebay, and it works great for my purposes.

[Herbie]

After tens – or tons – of od & distrtn pedals I have to say that JHS Morning Glory might be the ticket.

Or the Rockett Blue Note. I have both on my (rocker) pedalboard, MG for mild overdrive and BN for 'a bit more'. 'Much overdrive' comes from both on simultaneously.

Tube Screamer takes off the bass and OCD compresses too much. Honey Sweet has only the midrange.

Of course I have played them only with humbuckers and P90s. And with tube amps & SS amp (Quilter).

Morning Glory does best the Your-own-amp-but-a-bit-distorted -thing.

And EEMWV (Everybody Else's Mileage WILL Vary)!

[pingu]

Thanks all , thats all very useful indeed

all of the many many youtube demos of these various pedals
are useless to me as they don't demo the touch sensitivity
it's all balls-out Rock playing

To be clear I'm wanting this touch sensitivity irrespective of the amp I'm using
(Indeed I wanna sometimes go DI into the PA)

Also I'm skint , so it's got to be a cheap clone I'm afraid

Ive been using an Harley B American sound DI
it's good , but not VERY touch sensitive .... as in the double-stops video I posted

But I've just received a Harley B AC tone
Which is supposed to be like a vox ac in a pedal
Class A Voxes are extremely touch sensitive
so here's hoping ....

I will test it at home and let you know if it works
(at quite low volume unfortunately)

Anyone got one of these or Joyo equivalent ?

[citizenk74]

Help me out here if you can

Which pedal will get me closest to this kinda thing

That is .... clean chords , then breakup when I dig in ?
Through a clean SS amp

cheers

Please note the pickup's heights. They are all barely above the level of the PG. This helps retain a certain airiness in the tone, which with a dash of reverb/echo lends a nice dimension to the notes. *

* Also, on my Strats, I reversed the pups so that the shortest polepieces are under the Low E and A. This replicates Jimi's use of rt. handed instruments flipped over and played left-handed. Swiped that from Jerry Donahue, IIRC. Some carving out under the PG is necessary.

[Northenlights]

Help me out here if you can

Which pedal will get me closest to this kinda thing


That is .... clean chords , then breakup when I dig in ?
Through a clean SS amp

cheers

Ok. Make sure to disregard the other comments that was made regarding this tone. It has nothing to do with fuzz, and nothing to do with pickup height.
It has everything to do with how a tube amp is designed. Basically, you run your signal through several different gain stages. At a certain point, the signal will start to compress and eventually distort, but if you're just on the edge of this break up, you can vary the amount of distorsion with your picking dynamic.

This could theoretically be achieved by stacking several od pedals on a low gain setting, making them boost each other. I use one or two pedals together with the dirt channel of a D-style tube amp. However, I would say that the simplest way if using an SS amp is to get a modeler that emulates a tweed deluxe on the verge of breaking up.

[pingu]

Ok. Make sure to disregard the other comments that was made regarding this tone. It has nothing to do with fuzz, and nothing to do with pickup height.
It has everything to do with how a tube amp is designed. Basically, you run your signal through several different gain stages. At a certain point, the signal will start to compress and eventually distort, but if you're just on the edge of this break up, you can vary the amount of distorsion with your picking dynamic.

This could theoretically be achieved by stacking several od pedals on a low gain setting, making them boost each other. I use one or two pedals together with the dirt channel of a D-style tube amp. However, I would say that the simplest way if using an SS amp is to get a modeler that emulates a tweed deluxe on the verge of breaking up.

thanks NL
yes exactly !
you are bang on with regards to my question !

(ie. I'm not at all asking about the strats tone etc
which admittedly IS totally gorgeous)

Anyway ....
the modeller design would have to mimic the behaviour of the amp
with various different levels of input in very great detail ....
to get this touch sensitivity right , I would expect
that sounds VERY expensive

Or is there a cheap modeller that can do this ?

[Tal_175]

thanks NL
yes exactly !
you are bang on with regards to my question !

(ie. I'm not at all asking about the strats tone etc
which admittedly IS totally gorgeous)

Anyway ....
the modeller design would have to mimic the behaviour of the amp
with various different levels of input in very great detail ....
to get this touch sensitivity right , I would expect
that sounds VERY expensive

Or is there a cheap modeller that can do this ?

You can achieve the touch sensitivity of the Strat in that video with 99.9 % of the pedals out there. Even the cheapest 20 dollar OD pedals would give you that. Most distortion or fuzz pedals will give you that too.

Pretty much all OD pedals excel at clean to light hair. They mostly vary in their inherent EQ. The challenge in OD pedal design is to have them sound good at high gain tones.

For single coils, I like tc electronic mojomojo. It's cheap, it fattens the tone. It's very good in low drive settings. Sounds a bit artificial if the gain is high and it doesn't even have very high gain. Well it's a cheap pedal. But for touch sensitive low gain, it's great. But then so as other pedals.

[pingu]

You can achieve the touch sensitivity of the Strat in that video with 99.9 % of the pedals out there. Even the cheapest 20 dollar OD pedals would give you that. Most distortion or fuzz pedals will give you that too.

Pretty much all OD pedals excel at clean to light hair. They mostly vary in their inherent EQ. The challenge in OD pedal design is to have them sound good at high gain tones.

For single coils, I like tc electronic mojomojo. It's cheap, it fattens the tone. It's very good in low drive settings. Sounds a bit artificial if the gain is high and it doesn't even have very high gain. Well it's a cheap pedal. But for touch sensitive low gain, it's great. But then so as other pedals.

Thats great news , thanks Tal
my basic sound is big strings and humbuckers
so I don't need to fatten the tone up

if the AC truetone doesn't work out ....

I might go crazy and spring £27 for a Harley B ultimate drive
(an Fulltone OCD type clone)
I did like the overdriven rock sounds on the YouTube demos

however that sound won't get much use
cos don't play rock very much .... Hurrah

But if I can just get the touch sensitivity thing going on
It will be very cool

thanks everyone

[Triple_Jazz]

Ok. It has nothing to do with fuzz

Hendrix literally achieved this signature tone using fuzz and rolling off guitar volume.

[Eck]

I’ve got a Caline Orange Burst. Should be a candidate. What bothers me is every overdrive is so very noisy - and it seems digital more than analogue.


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[Northenlights]

Hendrix literally achieved this signature tone using fuzz and rolling off guitar volume.

His tone on songs like Fire, yes, but not his clean tone in Little Wing or Wind Cries Mary. And the poster never actually asked about Hendrix's tone specifically, but about the tone of a youtuber that demonstrate some Hendrix licks.

[pingu]

1094729[/URL]]His tone on songs like Fire, yes, but not his clean tone in Little Wing or Wind Cries Mary. And the poster never actually asked about Hendrix's tone specifically, but about the tone of a youtuber that demonstrate some Hendrix licks.

yes

I’m not bothered about the tone
(it could be with any guitar or style of
playing etc)

I just want the touch sensitivity exhibited
on that video
ie
when I play gently ..... it’s clean
when I dig in ..... its got some distortion

all that without touching the knobs

[medblues]

yes

I’m not bothered about the tone
(it could be with any guitar or style of
playing etc)

I just want the touch sensitivity exhibited
on that video
ie
when I play gently ..... it’s clean
when I dig in ..... its got some distortion

all that without touching the knobs

$50ish.

TC Electronic MojoMojo Overdrive Overview



Truly dynamic drive. The TC Electronic MojoMojo Overdrive enhances your playing and sculpts your tone. With a very open character and little to no compression, the drive allows even your most subtle playing to shine through. The touch sensitive dynamic response also means the MojoMojo directly responds to how you play giving it an intuitive edge. The clipping is symmetrical so there's no harsh overtones here, only smooth, musical drive elevating your tone every time it's engaged.

[mad dog]

Tubescreamer types never work for me. Most circuits like that are mid heavy, seem to drop bass, color the sound. What does work is good clean boost. Best I've found: Paul Cochrane's TIM (best of all), Timmy, also the one knob vertex boost. I use the Vertex boost on a small board into solid state amps, with P90 archtops, for jazz practice. It works very well, just a little extra push.

[Northenlights]

Tubescreamer types never work for me. Most circuits like that are mid heavy, seem to drop bass, color the sound. What does work is good clean boost. Best I've found: Paul Cochrane's TIM (best of all), Timmy, also the one knob vertex boost. I use the Vertex boost on a small board into solid state amps, with P90 archtops, for jazz practice. It works very well, just a little extra push.

Yeah, that's ts-pedals for you. Made to cut through in a loud band setting, maybe not so much for pure jazz. Great for blues though.
I also like Vertex stuff! Never had the boost, but I really like what the SSS does to my tone! Just don't tell the people at TGP, or you'll never hear the end of it