-
Originally Posted by rlrhett
He first says he thought there was no difference then he listened to them and heard the differences but it wasn't that important to him.
Fine but that makes me laugh. He seems to be a guitar builder, next he should compare the difference between his guitars and cheap Squier's and explain why anyone should buy his guitars?
-
05-27-2020 03:42 PM
-
I have an Alder Fender Am Std and a Yamaha Pacifica 012 in Agathis. To some, Agathis is reviled, apparently.
They don't sound the same, but they're pretty close. Add some processing and I don't know that I could tell them apart. I think the Fender sounds a little richer in the midrange but a little thinner in the upper range. You can probably buy 10 of the Yamaha used for the price of one of the Fenders (you'll have to spend a few bucks on better hardware for the Yamaha, so maybe it ends up being 7 to 1).
-
Originally Posted by Woody Sound
Last edited by citizenk74; 05-28-2020 at 10:04 PM. Reason: addition
-
Originally Posted by Tal_175
-
I related this experiment recently in another thread, but it seems apropos here. At one time I had three PRS Custom 24s. Save for the material of the tops, they all had identical components. Locking tuners, Corian nuts, Brazialn rosewood fingerboards, floating trems, sweet switches, Honduran mahogany necks and bodies. The tops were two Red curly or flame Maple caps from different trees, and one Pacific Coast Hard Maple (quilted). I set up all three of the in identical fashion - identical string sizes and brands, the same 12th fret action, the same pickup heights, same number of trem springs, and the same identical trem float. Tuned to the same pitches, and strumming and then immediately damping the strings, each guitar had a characteristic over-ring. These were pitched at E, B, And G.
All the non-wood parts were of identical materials. To what should we attribute the difference in over-ring, if not the woods involved?
-
Originally Posted by Tal_175
Originally Posted by Tal_175
John
-
Originally Posted by citizenk74
-
So Charlie Hoffman a boutique flat top guitar builder explained to me that people generally want the Tone heard on records they grew up with. Especially the famous records.
So Alder, Swamp Ash, Maple ,Mahogany, are the primary tones in Solid Body builds. Leo and company got it right to begin with, and now it's pretty much about refinements.
Anyway at some point it's more important to perseverate on your playing the instrument. Especially if the music involves more than 4 Cowboy Chords,lol!
-
Originally Posted by medblues
-
Originally Posted by medblues
-
Originally Posted by Tal_175
-
Originally Posted by GNAPPI
-
Here is a neck test. I haven't watched it yet:
-
Originally Posted by Tal_175
John
-
Originally Posted by John A.
-
To put things in context, the title of the thread should've been wood makes a difference in tone, whether it matters or not is debatable. When it comes to acoustic instruments, the tone you get from the construction is all you got. For example there aren't too many things one could do to make a very scooped guitar to sound balanced or fat.
With electric guitars not only differences are more subtle but pickup choices, pedals, guitar and amp controls make it possible to shape the tone a lot more. So may be it's a moot point but in my experience you do get a base tone from the acoustic sound of the electric guitars. To me it makes sense to start out with a base tone that's closer to what one wants to achieve.
-
Originally Posted by Tal_175
The remedy, damping a string, implies that that is where the resonance is actually making the noise (i.e., enhancing the frequency).
So if it's all subtractive, then can you identify how the frequencies are deleted? What qualities of wood attenuate which frequencies, and why?
A resonant body absorbs energy, and vibrates in sympathy to the prevalent frequencies. We all know that. That is not the same as asserting that different frequencies are so attenuated by particular materials that the human ear can hear the difference, especially after being processed from pickup to speaker.
I've seen too many people over at MyLesPaul fail KP's blind listening test to trust any claims like this without evidence.
-
Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus
Last edited by Tal_175; 05-28-2020 at 07:43 PM.
-
Also note that amplify does not mean adding energy in the context of sound. Sound board of a piano or acoustic guitar amplifies the sound of the strings. That means strings are themselves very quiet, sound board translates the energy in the strings to the movement of the larger surface area of the sound board. Resulting in more air movement at once than strings themselves can achieve. No energy addition is implied but the sound is amplified.
-
Originally Posted by Tal_175
But let me stress that is NOT a bad thing. I love the fact that guitars have their own voice and personality. The first time I string up a new guitar is always magic. I have friends that make coffee tables or turn bowls in their spare time. When they are done, they have a bowl. I have this thing that speaks in its own voice. A silly as it sounds, it feels like it comes alive.
It is hard to pick a guitar just from specs. They have a tendency of thumbing their nose at your preconceived notions. If they were predictable you could just order up the cheapest one that has the specs you want and be done with it. You have to play them, fall in love with them, give them a name, find a place for them on your wall/rack/studio, etc.
Then, of course, you have to start your search for the next one.
-
Originally Posted by Tal_175
http://faculty.tamuc.edu/cbertulani/...SelfThesis.pdf
-
Originally Posted by citizenk74
-
Originally Posted by medblues
"Even though this study did find differences in timbre, it would be useful to research whether or not one couldactually hear the difference. Such research is outside the scope of this study; however, measuringthe ability of one to perceive these differences is necessary to evaluate how different two timbresmust be before they can be perceived as different. "
-
There also needs to be a clear and unambiguous causal relationship between wood species and tone, or timbre if you prefer, in order to support the videos upthread.
-
Even as Crazy as I am,especially about chasing gear. This is past the Mark of any use. Especially since the guys who are so anal about this don't even gig !
It reminds me of the old audiophiles who buy a record of a snare drum to show off their system,lol!
16" 1920s/30s L5
Yesterday, 08:44 PM in For Sale