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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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05-11-2020 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Leaving the ES-175 PUP placement aside (I have three 175's and the design works for me. If I can meet the cat who engineered it in the afterlife, I'm going to buy him a drink ), I think Gibson has made mistakes like all folks in business do. IMO, the biggest one is dropping archtop production. Even if a market has changed, it seems like you still want to be in the sector that created the reputation of your company.
Gibson made some production changes when the bean counters made profits more important than quality in the mid 60's through the mid 70's. Most of these were abandoned due to the market not reacting well. For the most part, I am glad that they abandoned those changes (I do not like 14 degree pegheads, volutes, amplifier knobs, bright pickups, etc.) But I like one change they made in those times that was reversed, plating in chrome rather than straight nickel. Chrome is more maintenance free, and by nature, I am somewhat lazy.
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There was that late custom 175 for Joe Pass, don’t know why they didn’t produce it, it might have been quite popular?
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Joe Pass had a custom shop 175 style guitar made for him to his exact requirements at the end of his career.Thinner body and the pickup right against the fretboard. He is well documented and photographed playing this guitar before his death. It was absolutely his choice of features.
So maybe Joe Pass was looking for a better Joe Pass sound than the one he had on Joy Spring!
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by md54
Originally Posted by md54
Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by md54
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Well they seem to be doing something right,since they've sold and co tinge to sell so many guitars! I think with all of the great boutique and smaller guitar companies, if you can't find what you want you should look to play another instrument !
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Gnappi,
Nice list and point(s) but I feel rather strongly that if it's semi hollow, it's the antithesis of what makes a LP a LP.
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For me that would be the use of robot tuners
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I hadn't thought of Morse as a jazzer, and still don't. Stern played a Strat with Miles, saw that band a couple of times, more funk-rock than jazz, altho Sterno was playing some very cool stuff. Holdsworth likewise: jazz-prog-rock, but I don't think that the fact that they played Strat-style instruments for a minute was part of building their reputation, any more than the jazzers made their reputations based on what instrument they played rather than what music they played. Jim Hall had a Les Paul with Chico Hamilton, after all. There is no jazz guitar, there is jazz played on various guitars.
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One thing that (I thought) Gibson got right was the low impedance humbuckers they used in the LP Recording/Professional/Personal
I think the control arrangement on those guitars were problematic for many... not particularly intuitive. The clean, clear (yet warm) sound of those pickups is really unique.
Regarding the gap between the fingerboard and pickup on the ES-175, I don't think we can really be 100% sure of the reasoning for it but it's something Gibson were doing on other guitars too long before the ES-175. ES-125s have this gap too. I've seen ES-250s with a gap there as well, although some seem to have the pickup closer to the neck than others- it probably depended on who was installing the pickup on the day.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Originally Posted by ronjazz
I saw Stern with Miles, but unfortunately my memories of that show in Vienna, 1984, were clouded by wine and rather uncomfortable conditions inside the Festtent. I do recall him playing a Strat, but I can’t find any pictures of him with it. For him though a hard tail Strat is more or less equivalent to a Tele.
I agree any of these musicians could play anything, and it would be demonstrably them.
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Well we can argue about the pickup placement on a 175 but my big gripe is its demise in 2017. WTF Gibson ? That's like no mashed potatoes on Thanksgiving. 1949-2017. RIP dearly departed 175. We will miss you and always have you in our hearts. You too Tal Farlow model.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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I saw Stern play a Strat with Miles in Concord Ca. Sounded great.
If Miles accepted it as a jazz guitar, that's good enough for me.
Doesn't Lorne Lofsky play a Strat? If nobody else ever played one in a jazz context, Lorne's usage would still make it a jazz guitar.
His sound is that good.
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This
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Originally Posted by md54
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
Lofsky doesn't play a Strat.
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I missed something Gibson got right... the Volute, and it too is gone. At least Ibanez was able to buck the hysterical herd mentality of purists.
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Originally Posted by ronjazz
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