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Preamp and power amp modeling has gotten very good. The weak link is the sound of the “amp in the room”—the cab modeling. Not a big deal for recording, but the whole buy 1000x impulse responses, dig around till you find one that isn’t too boomy, or too shrill, then listen to it either through high-powered PA speakers or studio monitors just sucks. If the build quality is good, these amps could represent sort of the best case for realistic modeling when the sound of an actual “amp in the room” is important.
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09-13-2019 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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They sure get a lot of promotion. I don't see them taking off personally, digital amps with these dimensions and these prices.
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
John
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If it sounds as good as my prri, is lighter, does attenuation and di’s ... ok
I’ll A/B against a Tech 21 though.
Tbh live a lot of stuff boils down to practicality. So many times on stage sound is kind of balls whatever you use. The Tech 21 is a good enough approximation of a Fender amp to be quite satisfying to play through. And it comes in a tin.
Of course all the pros who need multiple sounds for shows and big gigs use Axe FX.
Nice tube amps are now for recording. The days of the high wattage tube amp - even the Twin - are kind of over for pro players ... even the Princeton is too loud for recording. I need a 5w amp.
So .... where’s the champs, Fender?
And why not a Tonemaster head?Last edited by christianm77; 09-13-2019 at 05:47 PM.
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These look great! And that's probably the main selling point that it's actually a Fender .
But already having several Quilter Aviator amps I feel covered already. But I'd love to actually try them.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Also the cab sims sound really good
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I recently watched the Anderton video about these:
I think it's an excellent example of how important the speaker is and they missed the opportunity to check them out with the digital's speaker plugged into the tube version and vice versa.
On the the deluxe the tube version sounded so much better (to me) and with the twin it was the other way round. My suspicion is that the tube deluxe already has been played a lot in the store.
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There's a new demo from Sweetwater/ Fender... I think the twin sounds better....
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I wouldn't dismiss them out-of-hand, since now owning a Roland Blues Cube Artist... which is a seriously good amp. After owning this amp, my bias against solid state has finally been conquered. I'll always own tube amps (and just ordered a Bad Cat), but ain't nothing wrong with solid state done right... and a few people ARE doing it right these days (and that goes for more than just jazz tones!)
My Roland BCA with the Ultimate Blues Tone Capsule supplanted my heavier 60W tube amp for my cover band, no regrets ! And no more sore back either! LOL
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I have a Fender Super Champ X2 Head which includes all those models and more (Supersonic, Jazzmaster etc) with a tube power amp stage. With a high efficiency cab (Eminence Wizard) it is very very loud. For those of you who wants to save money, it can be bought for $300 new plus your choice of speaker cab (not from me).
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Originally Posted by medblues
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
If they got it down to 7kg say, that would be on my shopping list.
As it is probably won’t bother. More likely to get lightweight separates. If they had a ToneMaster head I’d buy that.
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Originally Posted by ruger9
This was the route I took. Kind of expensive but to my ears best of them. I'm using the crystal clear tone module with an archtop and liking it quite a bit.
Thing is.. for the same 35 pounds that the Artist weighs, if I could have a really good Twin seems like I would go for the latter. If they are as good as early reviews, maybe I can avoid playing one for awhile. No room for more amps around here.
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Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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Has anyone compared these to the new Boss Nextone amps? I am wondering if for half the price a Nextone can be dialed to approximately the same sound as either of these.
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Although I suppose you could also say - if you are driving why not use a real deluxe? (Ok twin is difficult even if you are driving haha)
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Originally Posted by christianm77
So yeah I guess for short distances like going up the stairs or carrying the amp to your car, Deluxe and Princeton are practically the same.
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Originally Posted by Spook410
For more jazzy/old-school stuff, I would have left it stock (no tone capsule = Fender Tweed Bassman)
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Don't get me wrong- I'll always have tube amps. But in a loud live situation, it simply doesn't matter that much. People can get too precious with live tone. No one can tell the difference at those volumes, going thru PA, in a room full of people. (and in SOME of today's SS amps, there really isn't much difference anyway. The Roland stuff SHOCKED me, how much they sound AND FEEL and REACT like tubes.)
Now... if I were in a jazz trio, I would be MUCH more picky about my tone, since it was front and center. Altho after years of reading here, the same still seems to apply- most people agree that, a good player with a decent amp can always get a good workable tone. Unless you're going for something very specific, like the Charlie Christian octal tube thing, in which case there's always the Nocturne Junior Barnyard for those situations.
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Well.... yeah.
I tried a mambo yesterday. It was quite good.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by geoff23
New ones seem much improved.
Re: the switch... I was happy with the vanilla eq actually. But - My guitar (old 175) sounds really good through flat response eqs though. I can plug it into a PA straight and it sounds good. Very characterful guitar.
I’m kind of moving away from Fender with it and more towards solid state. i like it straight into my AER with no reverb for instance. Also fender amps do a fabulous job of taking those plinky, lively acoustic-ish tones older 175s produce and turning them into nasty ice pick trebles. I have to use an EQ.
It’s going to be different for every instrument. Fender is probably a better match for an L5 or maybe more recent 175. OTOH I’ve heard a lot of pro guitarists (world class name players even) with great gear get some sounds I wouldn’t be happy with at all.... often it depends where you sit. I find fenders so directional with the treble .
My friend was playing a Benedetto through the Mambo and wasn’t so happy (I thought it sounded good) he wants a Deluxe.... maybe he should try one of these Tonemasters....Last edited by christianm77; 09-16-2019 at 05:04 AM.
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