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    I'm actually enjoying the fractal AX8 synth block. It does a great job with methenyesque synth tones but it's not polyphonic and apparently they are not planning on adding polyphony with the axefx 3!

    At any rate, if I could find a pedal which does this I'd be really happy!

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    You've got to believe Pat will be in there somewhere, but you will have to muscle your way past Keith Emerson to find him.

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    I can see a lot of potential for combining that pedal with others. (EQ, dirt).

    You could probably get a passable "fake Pat" tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Joe
    I can see a lot of potential for combining that pedal with others. (EQ, dirt).

    You could probably get a passable "fake Pat" tone.
    The pat tone should be pretty simple. With the axefx, I can come close just by having a sawtooth voice 8va up. Tracking is fantastic. Blows away the GR55 or anything else I've tried. Nothing else is even close. And no silly pickup required. Plus, being internal to the axefx, I can modify it with overdrive, autowah, and delay, chorus, etc.

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    I’ve found some useful synth patches but nothing that sounds to me like the Metheny synth sound.... but then that’s not something I’ve been looking to emulate.

    The pedal is fully polyphonic. However - to my ears it’s a bit underwhelming through an electric guitar amp. I like it best though a PA or my AER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I’ve found some useful synth patches but nothing that sounds to me like the Metheny synth sound.... but then that’s not something I’ve been looking to emulate.

    The pedal is fully polyphonic. However - to my ears it’s a bit underwhelming through an electric guitar amp. I like it best though a PA or my AER.
    I play through FRFR. Surprised there is nothing out there that can do a sawtooth. Seems like that would be dirt simple. Unfortunately, the demos are all horrible unless you're planning on doing a '70s tribute band.

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    Yeah, it’s a bit novelty really.
    I only use a couple of patches. It’s quite fun though.

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    Ever try an SY-300?

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    yeah but way overkill for what I want. It's $699 !

    Quote Originally Posted by Marwin Moody
    Ever try an SY-300?

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    Jack, I have a mint SY-300 that I never use. I'm just not a gadget person anymore (though I used to be, decades ago!). The cheapest one on Reverb is currently $500. I'd sell it to you for $350 if you're interested. PM me if so, and if not, no worries!

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    This MIDI converter seems to have very good tracking

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    This MIDI converter seems to have very good tracking

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    regardless of how fast it is, there will always be breakdowns in pitch to midi conversion due to the design and protocol of the midi specification in general. Not having to deal with midi is one reason the SY300 and the EH pedals and the axefx synthblock track so much better than any midi converter I've ever used. I tried that guitar jam guitar to midi and it was better than the GR55 setup but not nearly as accurate as the axefx synth block.

    I ended up buying Roger's SY300 though so I think i'm good for now. It's just a matter of whether I want to lug that boat anchor to the gigs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker
    regardless of how fast it is, there will always be breakdowns in pitch to midi conversion due to the design and protocol of the midi specification in general. Not having to deal with midi is one reason the SY300 and the EH pedals and the axefx synthblock track so much better than any midi converter I've ever used. I tried that guitar jam guitar to midi and it was better than the GR55 setup but not nearly as accurate as the axefx synth block.

    I ended up buying Roger's SY300 though so I think i'm good for now. It's just a matter of whether I want to lug that boat anchor to the gigs!
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    Looking forward to hearing some audio of that :-)

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    Got the SY-300 from @rpguitar. Great pedal. Blows away the axefx synth which blows away the Boss GR55 and their midi pickup in terms of tracking. I haven't gone through all the sounds or any editing yet but I've already found 4-5 factory presets which sound fantastic for a pat metheny gr-300 or chick corea vibe. Very happy. Thanks Roger!

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    Jack, I've always been interested in that pedal. I'd love a synth setup without a midi pickup. Would love to hear more from you, even some clips!

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    Verging off topic a bit...EH has been coming out with some great pedals, of late. The B3 and C3 organ-based pedals are killer--if you already know how to voice chords, etc., for the Hammond. That is, if you play the guitar more like an organ, rather than guitaristically, the B3 or C3 will reward you with some great sounding results. My son and I both use the C3 for Hammond stuff. (We both play the B3 in the first place.) It's a neat way for two guys playing guitar to get some variety.

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    i tried those B3/C3 pedals a year or so ago. The tracking is pretty good. I'd like to compare them to the SY300 in terms of tracking. Wish the SY300 could do rhodes and/or organ sounds a bit better. I'm up to my max in pedals though so I won't be adding the EH ones to my arsenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker
    Got the SY-300 from @rpguitar. Great pedal. Blows away the axefx synth which blows away the Boss GR55 and their midi pickup in terms of tracking. I haven't gone through all the sounds or any editing yet but I've already found 4-5 factory presets which sound fantastic for a pat metheny gr-300 or chick corea vibe. Very happy. Thanks Roger!
    I'd like to hear that. I was looking for something similar. I'm an vintage electronic hobbyist, so, awhile back, I was looking hard at a non-working GR300 on eBay. I got a hold of the service manual, but wound up not going forward with the purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker
    Got the SY-300 from @rpguitar. Great pedal. Blows away the axefx synth which blows away the Boss GR55 and their midi pickup in terms of tracking. I haven't gone through all the sounds or any editing yet but I've already found 4-5 factory presets which sound fantastic for a pat metheny gr-300 or chick corea vibe. Very happy. Thanks Roger!
    Cool beans! I've found some great presets online, like this cello one:


    If you take the "GR lead" patch that comes with the unit and add some pan delay and open the filter a bit on the second, higher-octave oscillator, that can also help you get closer to the Metheny lead tones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marwin Moody
    Cool beans! I've found some great presets online, like this cello one:


    If you take the "GR lead" patch that comes with the unit and add some pan delay and open the filter a bit on the second, higher-octave oscillator, that can also help you get closer to the Metheny lead tones.
    that sounds great although I'm missing the connection to the metheny gr300 sound. I think the gr300 patch on the stock unit with the octave turned down a hair is really nice.

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    Oops, didn't mean to imply there was a connection. Just mentioned it as a side note

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    thanks for the info. Can you tell me what options I have for mixing the bypassed guitar signal with the synth signal? I can't seem to find anything in the manual and none of the blend controls seem to blend in the raw signal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker
    thanks for the info. Can you tell me what options I have for mixing the bypassed guitar signal with the synth signal? I can't seem to find anything in the manual and none of the blend controls seem to blend in the raw signal.
    In the Boss Tone Studio computer application, you can click on the two "MIX" parameters as well as the "THRU/RTN". Here you can turn the direct level up a bunch...


    ...And in the output mix tab, select balance, pan, and general volume for both bypass and synth signal.


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    the output mix tab does nothing for bypass signal. If I turn the synth signal to 0, there is no output.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marwin Moody
    In the Boss Tone Studio computer application, you can click on the two "MIX" parameters as well as the "THRU/RTN". Here you can turn the direct level up a bunch...


    ...And in the output mix tab, select balance, pan, and general volume for both bypass and synth signal.


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    But the direct level control in the thru/rtn does work! Thanks. I didn't try it but i'm guessing if I went back into the mix control it would work after tweaking the thru/rtn