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This might be a bad question, but I can't seem to find a Gibson ES-175 passed 2016. Is that the last year Gibson produced the ES-175?
The sites I have checked so far are Sweetwater, Guitar Center and Wildwood. I'm going to buy used but I'm afraid if the guitar is discontinued the price in the second hand market will go up before I'm able to buy one.
Thanks.
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03-20-2018 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Oneofthe
While fewer new ones being made might put upward pressure on used prices, the fact that each year, there are fewer jazz guitarists will put downward pressure along with a coming glut of used examples as older jazz guitarists/guitar hoarders die and their guitars hit the used market.
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2017 for at least now was the last year 175's were manufactured. They are currently not available even on a special order basis.
I am sure they will be back in production when Gibson's financial woes are behind them and the new Memphis location plant is fully up and running. Hopefully 2019. This summer will tell the future of Gibson.
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So it ’was’ the longest continuously made archtop guitar. 68 years, not bad. But should have been longer!
I have not made scientific analysis but my impression is that the Ebay askings of ES175’s have dropped a bit during last months. From $3000+ to $2500+.
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I never thought I'd see the day 175's were no longer made, in my lifetime.
Just a great Jazz guitar.
Joe D
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Literally, the guitar used on most of my favorite jazz guitar recordings.
Bummer. Although, if I had the $ for one, I'd buy used anyway.
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Ouch! I have watched other musical instrument markets that mattered to me--e.g., pianos, organs--just roll right up and disappear, for all intents and purposes. It happens as demographics work against those markets.
Now, although we may be in the early phase--too early to really tell--guitars may be on the way out. I DON'T think so, but maybe. All my kids play guitar, but how could they not? The real test will be to see what happens with my grandchildren's generation.
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I do wonder if in my lifetime, it'll be hard to find guitar strings or some other weird thing due to the decline of the guitar...
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
More and more-better options than ever.
I do not personally worry about this.
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Originally Posted by ptchristopher3
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
No but the sizing will change just like it does over the years with womens clothes.
.10's will be labeled as heavy strings.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
The hiatus in 175 production is in part due to the uncertainty re: Gibson's future (which, IMO is being milked by the business press for clicks and giggles); the slump in prices is half correction/half CME blowout fallout; in the long term, I believe production will resume, adjusted for a more realistic relationship to demand.
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Originally Posted by citizenk74
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Back in the eighties, when I was making bank playing dance music, I bought a 175 for $350. Apparently the 1st owner wanted to be Ted Nugent and it didn't work out. His (completely voluntary) loss, my gain. But.
Every time I brought it to a gig, I would get complaints - not from the audiences, who kept on dancing, but from some of the band members, who of course, are always happy to express their opinions, however ill-informed. "You should play the Les Paul" or the Strat, or the 345 yada yada blah blah.
The fact is, set up with a set of 0.010 - 0.046 plain-G strings, the clean tone of the 175 was pretty much indistinguishable in context from the other Gibsons. It just didn't look the part. News flash: Audiences. do. not. care.
I really believe we are one or two 175-playing singer/songwriters away from a resurgence in interest of one of the most practical and toneful electric guitars of all time.
We should also keep in mind that the future of guitar growth is Female, African, Asian, off-world, you name it.
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Originally Posted by Herbie
I thought the L-4 was the winner of that award? They've been around since 1911.
Although comparing a 1911 L-4 to a 2017/18 L4-CES is really apples to oranges. You really couldn't have two more different guitars.
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The L4 stopped being made between the 60s and the 90s.
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What about the L5? 1923-2017
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Originally Posted by fep
Last edited by Woody Sound; 03-22-2018 at 09:06 AM.
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Originally Posted by Greentone
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
No disrespect to anyone named Nancy intended.
Nothing wrong with very light tension strings, but sort of moronic to throw stones having no idea of the actual situation.
A .010 on a Byrdland will be at about 13.5 pounds of tension, this extremely close to the tension of an .009 on a Telecaster.
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Originally Posted by ptchristopher3
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Originally Posted by rlrhett
Regarding guitars, I feel (emotively,...) that this is often an issue.
I am not a Ted fan (musically or otherwise), but I take what I consider to be his folly as a way to look at my own approach to the instruments and try to improve.
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I have heard players get incredible sound out of plinky strings. So it is not always so clear as it may seem.
But yeah, the Nuge is pretty silly regarding guitars. (And I am a Byrdland fan/owner.)
ALL in my opinion.
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And in my opinion:
When obscure guitarists trash talk successful guitarists on internet forums, they make fools of themselves
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Rlrhett,
Do you run constant thickness on the carbon tops? How do you brace considering no vibration speed difference laterally vs. longitudinally?
Interesting designs.
Another way to look at the fingerboard
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