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    The new Metheny model, the PM2, is now becoming available. I phoned Guitar Guitar in my home town of Edinburgh, and they had just got delivery. They are putting it aside for me to pick up on Saturday. I'll give a review once I get my mits on it. I have high hopes for this one!

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    I'll do a proper review later. Have just spent two hours playing it at home. Happy to report that is a great guitar for the price, and I don't mean to offend anyone who owns these things, but it outshines all the other sub 1,000 dollars, pounds, euros, guitars by Ibanez, Epiphone and the like that I have tried. The only negative is that the "antique amber" is a bit more yellow than I care for, but hopefully it will dull a little in time.

    The fingerboard - ebony - has no dead spots or wolf notes, and is easy to get around on. I hardly noticed it, which is a good sign. The pickup - Super 58 - will be familiar to many here, and it seems more than capable of getting a good jazz sound. One pickup only.

    There is no pick guard - I thought I might miss having one, but it doesn't seem to be an issue. The pots work at all settings - no sudden cut outs or leaps in tone or volume. Smooth. Came with flats, which is fine with me.

    It's completely hollow, but I don't play loud gigs, so that is not an issue for me. The acoustic sound is OK, but quite quiet. I do not intend it for acoustic use, but it's certainly loud enough to practice with.

    What else can I say? Everything works as it should. Go get one!

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    are the three cross bits on the tailpiece sharp ?

    looks like you might catch your sleeve on those

    looks lovely apart from that

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    Congratulations of your beautiful new guitar! The only one I've seen in person actually looked rather bright yellower than yours, and yours actually looks rather rich here to me. (Plus maybe we're both unconsciously comparing it to the PM35, the PM2's predecessor, which is a much paler color.) That one PM2 I did manage to try played wonderfully, neck and balance-wise, but the electronics were broken, and it would only produce a buzz (this being a new guitar, too). So I moved on, soon after getting a beautiful PM35 instead—love it.

    But I'll have to agree with the rest of your assessment in that these are definitely the best Artcore's I've managed to come across. I had played two other PM35s before, and they were clearly the nicest Artcores on the wall that day. In fact, even putting dollar-value aside, my PM35 leaves me not wanting for anything else when I play it, and it sounds like you're well on the way to the same with your PM2. Not a bad place to be!

    One correction, though: these guitar's stock pickup is called the 'Super 58 Custom'. Big difference from the actual 'Super 58' pickup which is costlier and used only on a few very expensive Ibanezes (the Scofield and the new upper-end Benson models use 'Super 58s'.) Originally, the 'Super 58s' were usually found on older MIJ '80s Ibanezes as stock pickups (I have those on my AM205), and I believe that the current 'Super 58 Customs' are MIC.

    Best of everything with your new guitar. May you have many years of great playing with it!

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    pingu - I'll let you know if I ever need to sue Ibanez for a new shirt

    ooglybong - Many thanks. Didn't know about the custom pickup version. Now I know that, this guitar is a piece of crap! Anyone want to buy it? Only kidding! I often upgrade pickups anyway, so it is only a matter of time before it gets a Gibson 57 or similar...But let's get things in perspective, this guitar for the price is fantastic. It's a shame the electronics were broken on the one you tried. I hope that's not common.

    I'm curious about the pickup on the PM200 - the "Silent 58" - what's silent about it? I thought humbuckers were silent, certainly compared to single coils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    I often upgrade pickups anyway, so it is only a matter of time before it gets a Gibson 57 or similar...
    To be fair, my used-but-mint PM35 came upgraded with a wonderful Harmonic Design PAF so I cannot respond to anything other than the HD pickup, but... For a recommendation, it's really, really nice. A nice, clear high end, not brittle to my ears at all but, even with the tone rolled all the way off, it still sounds great, still has presence and definition (although then, of course, it's really dark, very much a Metheny-esque tone, I'd say). Anyway, I've liked Metheny a lot (since waaay back on Bright Size Life), but my goal here was definitely more in getting a great guitar, not aping a fav guitarist. I'd tried a couple of nice PM35s over the years, passed, then regretted it. This one, though, is definitely the tops, esp with this pickup. Anyway, I bet that the PM35 and PM2 are pretty close in build and standards overall, and I'd highly recommend one of these Harmonic Design PAFs when and if you're ever in the market. (Pricey, though.) Best of everything with your PM2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post

    I'm curious about the pickup on the PM200 - the "Silent 58" - what's silent about it? I thought humbuckers were silent, certainly compared to single coils.
    Congratulations for the new guitar.
    Regarding the Silent 58 PUs, those are the PUs mounted on the previous model pm120, the thinline version,
    which is now out of production, I guess, replaced by the new models PM200 and PM2.

    I tried once the PM120 and liked it a lot. The Silent 58 PU is a rather dark PU.
    As far as I remember, I could get a very methenesque sound by rolling off the tone knob in the pm120.

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    I admit, I do like the dark sound Metheny gets, also Jim Hall. The stock pickup is actually pretty good, and comes close. Really loving playing on this neck/fingerboard, and the acoustic sound is fine, so it might be worthwhile really getting the best pickup I can find for that dark sound.

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    Wrote to Harmonic Design who said I might prefer the Z-90 instead - fat, dark, warm single coil in a humbucker...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    Wrote to Harmonic Design who said I might prefer the Z-90 instead - fat, dark, warm single coil in a humbucker...
    As I mentioned, my own Harmonic Design PAF already came installed on my PM35, so I didn't have the luxury that you do in making a decision. (Hope you don't suffer too much from Option Anxiety!) IMO, this PAF pickup of theirs comes as close as I'd ever 'need' for completing the Metheny equation (not that I need to be there, either), and turned down a bit it gets nice and rather more acoustic in nature, IMO, whereas some other humbuckers I've played do not so much. However you want to put it, I am definitely enjoying the range of both controls on my PM35 with this HD pickup.

    But then, the P-90 alternative might tend to get you more toward Jim Hall's earlier sound instead, say, roughly pre-1970, when (IIRC) he was still using a P-90 in his ES-175. After that point (Jim Hall Live), he was using a humbucker in his ES-175, and certainly by the time he got to his D'Aquisto. Time to give a listen thru his discography I guess, a fun task to be sure!

    Hmm. Gotta try me a P-90 on an archtop someday...

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    Well. I guess a Gibson '57 Classic should also do the trick.

    Hey Rob, how is life in Edinburgh! I lived in Scotland for 2 years and 8 months (2003-2005).
    I used to go to a pub for Jam Sessions every monday night. I think the pub was called Eighty Queen Street.
    Jam Sessions were started by the house's band led by a brilliant pianist whose name was Patrick, as far as I remember.

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    Good post, oogly. What sold me on the Z90 (and I have completed the order) is the single-coil - albeit in a humbucker casing. I do like the pop and bite of a single coil. It is also almost half the price of the humbucker, which is a bonus. We shall see...

    Now, must dig out those old Jim Hall recordings...

    BTW, Bill Frisell also opted for the Z90 for "that big, full sound". But I like your comment about Option Anxiety! Certainly applies here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    Good post, oogly. What sold me on the Z90 (and I have completed the order) is the single-coil - albeit in a humbucker casing. I do like the pop and bite of a single coil. It is also almost half the price of the humbucker, which is a bonus. We shall see... Now, must dig out those old Jim Hall recordings...
    Half the price for a Harmonic Design P-90? Oh, nooo... Now I'm going to want to finally do one as an experiment given how much I like their PAF. My problem now is which guitar do I put it in? I always buy a guitar based on how I like it *as it is*, not for how much I'd like to change out the pickup. Now which guitar do I decide gets the knife, so to speak? Talk about Option Anxiety. Oh, noooo....

    Hey, I'm glad my recommendation alerted you to the small company. You've probably noticed by now, but, for those who haven't, their slogan is "We never heard of you either." I get a big kick out of that!

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    So, today in a local store I saw an Ibanez AF151, and it occurred to me that other than in looks, it is virtually the same guitar as the PM2. Both have identical woods (neck, body, fretboard) and dimensions, and a single Super 58 custom PUP. Differences are looks (AF151: flame; PM2: plain), tailpiece (both wire, but in different shape), and fingerrest (AF151: yes; PM2: no). The only other substantial difference is that the PM2 has 2 more frets, so the PUP will be about half an inch further toward the bridge than on the AF151. Prices in the UK are comparable. I must say that the AF151 looked even "redder" than on the images; I personally prefer the more understated looks of the PM2... anyone had a chance to compare them side by side?

    N.

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    I could have gone for either one, as, indeed, the specs are close. Although I'm finding the "antique amber" a little too yellow, I don't think I could live with a very fiery red thing sitting in my living room! It does look nice in the pictures, but I've also seen a VERY red one in a store. But someone else might love it. Both fine guitars for the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neuroscan View Post
    So, today in a local store I saw an Ibanez AF151, and it occurred to me that other than in looks, it is virtually the same guitar as the PM2. Both have identical woods (neck, body, fretboard) and dimensions, and a single Super 58 custom PUP. Differences are looks (AF151: flame; PM2: plain), tailpiece (both wire, but in different shape), and fingerrest (AF151: yes; PM2: no). The only other substantial difference is that the PM2 has 2 more frets, so the PUP will be about half an inch further toward the bridge than on the AF151. Prices in the UK are comparable. I must say that the AF151 looked even "redder" than on the images; I personally prefer the more understated looks of the PM2... anyone had a chance to compare them side by side?
    Well... I have seen and "tried" one of each (in two different stores), but unfortunately, both were actually non-operative electronically right out of the box. I was SO disappointed. The PM2 just had a *loud* buzz, and the AF151 had a totally dead bridge pickup. IIRC, the 151's neck PU "worked" but I found it to be an unnaturally bright tone no matter how I set it on guitar or amp (something I associated with the bridge PU being out, possibly indicating a global screw-up). Disappointed, I didn't bother with them much acoustically, although I do remember the PM2 playing rather well unplugged for those few minutes but that the AF151 was quite unimpressive. Sorry I can't tell you more there.

    FWIW, the AF151 did seem (IMO) very bright in color, even garish. The PM2 that I played was really quite yellow, but Rob's looks much better and rather nice. (He should forget the spray paint, IMO!)

    By the way, another member here, TruthHertz, worked for Ibanez for some time and has stated here in this recent thread (#8) that they're not quite as similar as one would think...

    Ibanez AF151 & Ibanez PM2--Finish aside, They appear to be the same?

    Hope this helps somehow.

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    That was an interesting comment from TrueHertz, so, thanks for the link.

    I'm getting a nice sound from the pickup through just a THR5 amp. I keep the tone pot on the bass side, sometimes adding a very small amount of treble for definition. Today I played some folk-rock guitar with a student, with the tone half way, and we were both very impressed. But beyond that half way mark, I'm not keen on the treble sound at all...but I have a Tele to cover that when I need it (rare).

    If I get time this weekend, I'll make a video. I'll be replacing the pickup in three or four weeks' time, so it would be good to have a before and after reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    I could have gone for either one, as, indeed, the specs are close. Although I'm finding the "antique amber" a little too yellow, I don't think I could live with a very fiery red thing sitting in my living room! It does look nice in the pictures, but I've also seen a VERY red one in a store. But someone else might love it. Both fine guitars for the price.
    Amber that is too amber--red that's too red! The Ibanez finishing department needs to cut down on the recreational herbs! In an effort to "mellow some of the harsh", I added a ebony pickgard/finger-rest to my AF151:
    PS: I have yet to have even seen a PM2 here in the USA!


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    Much better, Helios. It calms it down somewhat. Quite like it now. Are you staying with the stock pickup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    I'm getting a nice sound from the pickup through just a THR5 amp. I keep the tone pot on the bass side, sometimes adding a very small amount of treble for definition. Today I played some folk-rock guitar with a student, with the tone half way, and we were both very impressed. But beyond that half way mark, I'm not keen on the treble sound at all...but I have a Tele to cover that when I need it (rare).
    Interesting. We both have "PM" guitars and Yamahas, too. I happen to have a THR10 amp that I bought more as a tiny take-it-anywhere amp, and so far I'm pretty happy with it in the limited use I've made of it so far. I really like its rock/fusion sounds with a solid body, but interestingly, I also found that the "Flat" setting gives a pretty good jazz sound, IMO, more or less like a simple solid-state amp. No one seems to mention that Flat setting in reviews and videos. YMMV, of course, but I liked Flat for jazz even better than the cleanest modeled preset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    Much better, Helios. It calms it down somewhat. Quite like it now. Are you staying with the stock pickup?
    Hi Rob,
    It has a Lindy Fralin Pure PAF (7.75K) in it now, and I'll likely stay with that. The Super 58 I measured to be 7.25K, yet it sounded darker to me. I have the complete stock wiring assembly in tact, and at some time when I change strings, I'll swap the assemblies to see if I've been missing out on anything tonally. Jeff

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    Definitely a major upgrade there, Helios. Very, very nice! Funny, but, for some reason, Ibanez pickguards usually seem to just look "wrong" to me—either too big, or two colorful, or too much shape' to them. In almost every case, I'd prefer them either taken off or replaced with something simpler and smaller.

    Talk about colors, well, here's another color (not so bright) I just saw at the Ibanez site...

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    ...and it even has a black pickguard. Still too large, IMO, but it's an improvement. Possibly add a tailpiece like Helios' and either take off the pickguard (maybe not) and replace it with a smaller Benedetto-style little one.

    I don't recall seeing this at the Ibanez site before. Is this a new model/color? It gets a AF255BM designation, but the only differences I can see, build-wise, are wooden knobs and a burled top. Hmm. I know some folks have it out against blue guitars, but I actually kind of like it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by helios View Post
    Amber that is too amber--red that's too red! The Ibanez finishing department needs to cut down on the recreational herbs! In an effort to "mellow some of the harsh", I added a ebony pickgard/finger-rest to my AF151:
    PS: I have yet to have even seen a PM2 here in the USA!

    Lovely upgrade, and a big improvement over the stock look, IMO. Nice photos, too.

    I once played a used Yamaha AEX1500 that someone had "upgraded" with what I noted seemed to be a Benedetto-type tailpiece (with a nylon cord stretched around the strap pin, etc.). I thought that the guitar sounded and felt awfully dead (and I attributed that to the tailpiece tension in the equation), but later acquired the same guitar but in stock condition with original metal tailpiece; it feels and sounds absolutely stellar. So my question here is: your tailpiece appears to be a wood piece mounted over an metal tailpiece structure (therefore, an apparent substitute for the guitar's original hardware structure). Does it feel and sound the same as before? If you don't mind sharing, where did you get the tailpiece and pick guard? Did you also upgrade the bridge inserts with graph-tech, etc?

    FWIW, I have seen a PM2 locally, but I had to ask the dealer to make a point of getting one in when he was ordering. (His strategy was to stick with even less expensive Ibanezes to begin with, sales-wise.) I went down when they came in, but it was electronically dead right out of the box and he said he'd be sending it back for another. No call back yet but (that's that dealer). Plus the yellow was pretty garish, so I passed.

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    I have a PM-2 and its a great guitar, very nice neck. The only thing is you have to like yellow guitars. The aged natural finish on the D'Angelico EXL-1 nails it, the PM-2 is just yellow. Rick

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    Curious if it gets the dark metheny tone we all know and love?

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    The PM2 is excellent, I've had it for a while.

    Added a pickguard, --- plays beautifully.

    For me the tone is dark and deep....

    I can only speak to my sound not PM's, but this has been a keeper for me.

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    thanks. did you have a pickguard made?

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    I couldn’t find a PM2 in any guitar shop within 500 miles so I ordered one online. The guitar I received sounded amazing—great acoustic resonance and sustain and a truly magnificent amplified tone. Seriously, tone wise, it was better than the single p/u ES-175 I learned on. But, the PM2’s neck was not straight and no amount of truss rod or bridge adjustment could make up for it. Sadly, I returned it and requested a replacement. The second one played a little better but was dead acoustically. Plugged in, it sounded like a bucket of mud—a real dud.

    I know that no two guitars are the same, but it was astonishing how different those two PM2s were. Sadly, that magic PM2 wasn’t to be found for me. I still think a great PM2 would be a keeper. The potential is there, the QC may not be.

    Roli

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    I picked one up for $600 because the owner had dulled the finish on the face of the guitar with steel wool. It sounds and plays great, better than a lot of archtops Ive had costing much more. You can get a decent Methenyesque tone depending on the kind of amp youre using. Sadly, I can no longer play so while its a great guitar its a dust collector If you can find a good one, buy it, youll love it. Bob
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    Sorry to say I don't have a personal recording right now to contribute, but the tone in the below vid is definitely part of its readily available palette. For the way I play, I don't miss a pickguard.

    @ rolijen, it would seem that mine is a good'un as it has those two virtues. The neck, to my hands, is small overall, but really forgiving and fast as you like. The tuners are meh, IMO. Nice guitar at any price.


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    the clip above seems to have a brighter attack than I'd normally attribute to pat. I was watching a mike brecker video on the recording of pilgrimage and noticed metheny using the korean version on that record. It sounded darker to me. Maybe it's just a matter of the tone control?

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    I'm pretty sure the guy in the clip had the tone rolled back a fair bit, with D'Addario Chromes .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter C View Post
    I'm pretty sure the guy in the clip had the tone rolled back a fair bit, with D'Addario Chromes .....
    hmmm...then i would say it doesn't have much of the Pat vibe like what I got from my PM120.

    This video may not be the best demo of guitar tone but you can hear the methenyesque lilt of the notes which I don't hear in the above recording...It sounds good. Just not very methenyesque...Maybe the korean one is closer.


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    Just a personal observation, but I'm pretty sure I saw you in a video years ago illustrating some Pat Martino lines on a Gibson Les Paul and I remember it sounded just great, my point being that certain nuances of tone are, dare I say it, insignificant compared to the actual musical content. I also know that these words will most likely fall on deaf ears, because you hear it

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    haha, yeah - i get your point. It could be pick, strings, amp settings, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter C View Post
    Just a personal observation, but I'm pretty sure I saw you in a video years ago illustrating some Pat Martino lines on a Gibson Les Paul and I remember it sounded just great, my point being that certain nuances of tone are, dare I say it, insignificant compared to the actual musical content. I also know that these words will most likely fall on deaf ears, because you hear it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter C View Post
    Sorry to say I don't have a personal recording right now to contribute, but the tone in the below vid is definitely part of its readily available palette. For the way I play, I don't miss a pickguard.

    @ rolijen, it would seem that mine is a good'un as it has those two virtues. The neck, to my hands, is small overall, but really forgiving and fast as you like. The tuners are meh, IMO. Nice guitar at any price.

    I saved this Video on Youtube about a month ago because I really liked the Tone and it does not sound like there is extreme treble Roll Off- it's deep with some high end still there- not muffled.

    And the long even sustain..

    Sounds like a lot of Guitar for $1000.

    I liked clips of the PM 35 also seemed to have a slightly fatter Benson- ish Tone .

    I tried to get one used at $ 600 but it was sold ( PM 35 ).
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    Here's my PM2 video - I swapped the pickup for a Harmonic Design Z90:


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    Rob, you make any guitar you play sound wonderful!

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    This model could be a viable option for me, but I am not sure if I could get along with such a low profile neck. Is it flattish or C-shaped? I would really like a Seventy Seven Hawk, but unfortunately that isn't in the cards right now. What other options are there in this price range?
    Also, are the Korean made versions really that much better, or just more consistent in quality?

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    I've been on the lookout for something else recently and one thing that grabbed my attention was the PM2.

    Anyone here got one? Or had much experience with them?

    I already have an Ibanez AKJ-95 and a ES-175 Premium amongst others.. so one of my main questions is, would I really see a huge difference from specifically an AKJ-95 to something like a PM2? You know, the AKJ is around £500 and the PM2 is £850 maybe. So not a huge difference in value. To my knowledge they're relatively similar construction.. I think the PM2 is maple.. and I assume similar pickups (or "pickup" as in the PM2). I think it may be slightly different. "Super Custom 58" or something.

    I'm only having a look at the moment, not really fully decided, but the PM2 AA appeals to me as I wanted something Natural-ish and I am a Metheny fan. It's pretty cheap as sig models go. I don't really want to go into huge prices as it wouldn't be a main guitar anyways. So I've been looking at stuff in the lines of the PM2 as I'm cravings something new.

    Basically just wondering what the folks on here think of them? Any input would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.

    JPF

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    Hello I also was lusting after the PM 2AA. Bill's music in Baltimore said they'd get one for me to try. But they took so long that I ended up buying a used Eastman AR805CE instead.
    But then a few months later Bill's called so I went in anyway to try the PM 2AA just for fun.
    It's very pretty. Plugged in sound is pretty good. But unplugged it had little tone, maybe that wouldn't matter to you but it does to me. The Eastman I can happily play unplugged and if sounds great.
    But the neck: the Ibanez has a narrower nut, and the overall feel was stiffer. To me a wider nut makes it much easier to play accurately.
    Maybe it'll break in. My Eastman is 10 yrs old. But playability wise it couldn't touch the Eastman.
    My guitar isn't as pretty but it's a dream. Really glad I bought a solid wood used instrument. I'd recommend you try one.


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    IF it's something you crave, and you don't rely on having a bridge pickup, then the PM2 could be a nice replacement for the AKJ95. They may not be different enough from each other to justify keeping both.

    I own a PM2 and like it for what it is -- very comfortable and super easy to play. I do have another Ibanez archtop that has two pickups, but it is bigger and has solid spruce top. There's just enough difference in sound and function to keep both, and every time I consider selling off the PM2 as the "lesser" guitar, it wins me back with it's playability. It is not a good acoustic instrument, pretty much needs to be plugged in, but as you said you had other guitars I assume you may have that covered elsewhere. My Gibson L7C fills the acoustic sound need, these Ibanez laminate are not really in that competition.

    I replaced the PM2 bridge base, just for experimentation as I made my own that sounds better.
    The stock PM2 tailpiece appears weak -- the thin metal at the hinge always looked like it was about to strain apart. I got lucky and found a PM120 tailpiece that worked out well. The PM2 super 58 is not the best version, my newer Ibanez has much better "Super 58" with yet another pair of MIC part numbers and nothing on the cover top. No end to the PU part number confusion from that manufacturer !

    John


    PM2 ebony fretboard can be burnished quite smooth
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    home made bridge base
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    I really like Ibanez archtops. The quality of fret finishing on their Artcore Expressionist and Contemporary Archtop lineup is amazing.

    Like you, I started out really wanting the PM2. So, I ordered one from MF. It sounded amazing--better than any of the many ES-175s (single and double pickup models). However, the guitar's neck was twisted having bow on the bass side and backbow on the treble side. Maybe as a result, several frets 9 through 13 were uneven. So, back it went. THe replacement they sent was vastly different from the first one. Much heavier weight and it sounded like crap--dull and lifeless. The second one also had the same neck problems. So back it went as well.

    Rather than risk a third dud, I went another direction. I contend, that if you find a good one, it will be worth it. My recommendation is to try one in person. On paper it look like an amazing guitar and I am a witness of how beautiful a PM2 can sound. But, caveat emptor.

    Another thought: The PM2 has its single pickup placed in the same approximate spot as the neck pickup on an ES-175. Thus it will be in the 175 zone, tonewise. The AKJ95 has the neck pickup placed farther from the bridge and, thus, will sound slightly more mellow. Also, all three guitars (your Epi 175, your Ibby AKJ95 and the potential Ibby PM2) all have laminated maple tops. All will get you in the Metheny zone. Your 175 and the PM2 are pretty similar.
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    I have a PM2 as well as an EPI 175. The PM2 is a little more refined than the 175, nice glossy finish, very nice neck and ebony fingerboard. The 175 is thicker and more resonant than the PM2. I really didn't give the PM2 pickup a chance, I put a Gibson R490 in it.
    The PM2 body seems like most other Ibanez's. Of course the PM2 is very yellow, maybe it will fade out a little. Overall its a nice guitar to have around. R

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    I think it's a very nice guitar for the money (only played it in a store). I would have preferred that they re-used the shape of the defunct PM20 (former cheaper PM-model). To me one of the features of the PM-signature guitars is better upper fret access (they all have 22 frets, too). Heck, the original signature guitar even had a second cutaway. I had a PM100 for a few years, one of the models with a second cutaway, and liked it a lot. The only problem was that it was one of the most feedback prone archtops I ever had.

    The PM20 and the PM200 both had/have the wider cutaway. I know, most of the time you won't play up there;-), but why not continue with a feature that Pat obviously likes to have on his personal archtop(s)?

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    I have very limited experience in archtops but my PM2, with pretty beefy roundwound strings, is acoustically loud, though tone-wise, I don't know what to expect from a lam top with a set-in pickup. The treble strings really ring out sans amp, that's for sure. It's probably about time I did a demo video...

    In terms of quality, if the AKJ95 mentioned above is the Artcore line, you can expect a significant overall improvement in the PM2, with far better fretwork, smooth ebony fingerboard and there's nothing wrong with the pickup, as far as I'm concerned. That said, I've played out with a AF75 (the faux "White Falcon" model) and don't recall any complaints about tone - plugged-in, obviously.

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    I owned one for a couple of months...

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    I had to level frets and still never could get them flat enough to achieve a really low action.
    Rough fret edges, they call this "Artstar fret edge treatment", come on Ibanez, are you kiddin' me?
    No pick guard (made one by myself).
    Gold parts wore off even from just looking at them. Replaced the string holder with a cheapo Chinese one that kept it's plating way better.
    Too yellow, why do they call this "antique amber", there is nothing antique to it?

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    Well, it's not a really bad bad guitar, but then again, for that price, more than questionable.


    So over all it was a disappointment, sold it again.

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    I did a whole bunch of research before asking my local store to order one and this is the first time I've read any mention of a neck problem or rough frets(??) and it's hard to see the point in considering this guitar if you prefer a pickguard or dislike the colour.

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    I had one shortly before I got my ES-175. I thought for the money it was an excellent value. I got mine at a wholesale price ($500 I think...). I put a Benedetto pickup in it and new tailpiece as well and it helped to fatten it up a bit. It was light and felt like a toy after I got the 175, so I sold it for a bit more than I had in it. I think it was good guitar for the money and I gigged with it for about 6 months. Had the 175 not come along, I would have kept going with it.
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