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Had a bit of an accident with my ES-139, it got struck by something in the middle of cleaning. I don't care about the aesthetics of it, but is there any sort of practical reasons to fix it?
you can see a couple of scrapes right by it - it sounded bad so I used a screwdriver immediately to clear it out to see if the wood had been damaged, oops
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02-18-2018 03:16 PM
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I would at the very least do a drop fill with nail polish to seal the bare wood. It sounds as you've no problem with it appearance-wise, so that may be as far as you need to go.
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Well, if you take the guitar to a pro luthier, the job required to fill up the hole, doing the color touch-up and polishing it, will set you back around a twenty dollar bill. Two visits to MacDonald's.
Originally Posted by Brian B
If I were you, I'd do it.
PS: I've just noticed you're in Norway, so I don't know what are the rates to do a job like that up there. In my neck of woods, it's about € 20,00 and € 30,00 Euros. A half-hour job.
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A good guitar finish repairman can fix that. IMO, it is worth the cost (probably about $50) just so you do not have to relive the "accident" every time you play the guitar.
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And sooner is far better than later. Do it before the wood oxidizes and gets dirt and other stuff embedded in it. Using a screwdriver on it was not the best idea you ever had, but it can be fixed if you get it done soon.
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Yikes, ouch and my sympathies. Anything you can do to seal the wood from the elements, as mentioned earlier, is all you need. Of course it's a simple thing to have it done professionally, but even with the ease of doing that, I love the history of the mishaps and the story of my life told in the dings of my guitar. Each one has a memory and a time of my life. I use nail polish a lot, for the care of my nails (fingerstyle) as well as the preservation of my guitar. Once I was past the first mishap, it became a matter of pride in the history of use with my guitar.
Good luck and welcome to the "proud users" club!
David
I should mention that when I get a ding, especially in a place that my hand contacts (neck) I will try to swell out any wood compression. I use the steam vaporizer that's really handy here. Just a moment's exposure can and often will swell the wood back so a ding might come close to disappearing. I had a cedar top classical that broke my heart when the case lid put a ding in the varnished top. I immediately swelled the wood and the injury all but disappeared. Then I did do a professional matching job to seal it.
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Hi Marwin,
Can you do a huge favor and if you get this fixed by someone please let us know what it cost and post a pic of the results. That would be great.
Many Thanks.
T’Hertz,
Indeed amazing what dents can be steamed out, particularly on softer woods. What surprises me is how often the broken (as opposed to merely displaced) fibers sort themselves out nearly back to their original state.
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Its a 139, theres no need to rush to get it sealed, aside from any discoloration to the wood which probably would take quite some time unless you clean the guitar all the time with polish etc. The top is lam. so no problems with structural integrity as far as a lacquer chip goes. Play it like you always do, if it bothers you ,get it touched up when its to your advantage. Adds to the patina as far as Id be concerned. Just my two cents! Bob
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Right? I was in NY in Dec, the guitar slid from the night stand onto the sharp edge of a chair arm. Ding! A noticeable crease in the mahogany neck of my custom 7 string. I didn't sweat it ('til I got home, heh heh), a little hot steam, a few layers of nail polish patiently applied with a toothpick and all evidence is gone, and that's on a neck. Wood knows more than we give it credit for. Which is exactly why I'll never use planing wood as a solution to a piece of wood with in inherent twist in it. Originally Posted by ptchristopher3
David
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Indeed. A piece engelmann spruce told me to sell all GE stock a white ago. Originally Posted by TruthHertz
I now always listen to wood.
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To the OP:
Not to run afoul of the various CERTAINLY well-intended opinions here, but...
An arguably classic blunder is to start putting goop all over something then later bringing it to a pro to fix.
The pro’s biggest problem is often dealing with some well-intended remedial action.
I am VERY curious to see what the final disposition of this is. So many thanks if you can let us know.
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ugh..so sorry
the moral of the story..never clean your guitar...with a chisel nearby
surprised by the cost of repair suggested..in a major city stateside, you can't get a string change for 20$
and to do a good job on a sunburst requires some patience and skill
just the drying times alone require more than a 1/2 hour!!
good luck
cheers
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Indeed Nea’,
This is why I am curious about the final results if the OP gets this fixed.
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Agreed this is not easy as such it does require finishing skills and time. More than what i see as posted. In fact finishing skills and repairing guitars finishes is a subset itself in luithery work.
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The chip is over a solid color. Originally Posted by neatomic
Fixing a small chip in a guitar finish - YouTube Originally Posted by neatomic
Not necessarily.
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that "solid" color is a composite of layers of different colors...its not solid candy apple red!
20$ in a 1/2 hour?...you get what you pay for
cheers
ps- know that video very well...and know dan e..if he did that (solid black) repair for 20$ in a half an hour..hah
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Indeed, it is simply not a solid color. It is both made of two separate colored layers, and it is translucent. Originally Posted by neatomic
A far cry from drop filling a dark solid color.
If one simply wants the surface leveled and the wood covered, it is a quick job.
Further, some metal dyes behave well when combined with lacquer or CA.
Other dyes do some remarkably nasty tings if you try to drop fill with CA and use dye.
I hope all the best for the OP getting whatever results he wants.
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yes..best to the op mm...all this chatter does nothing to soothe his chipped soul
so sorry bud
i know guys that would sell a guitar for less!
cheers
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Thanks for all the suggestions peeps, but like I said in my post, I'm not at all concerned about the looks, and if the below is correct:
...then I won't be doing anything to mend it. I agree with you, Bob - it's patina! It's got a few smaller chips and dings around the body and on the neck anyway. Originally Posted by Top of the Arch!
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Yup! Character!! I love dinged finishes on guitars , especially when I know where they come from!! My Seventy Seven Stork Jazz 2 with P 90s was pristine for the first year I owned it, played it every night for a year before by dear friend and drummer "Sal" knocked it off the stand and gouged the finish and bent one of the tuners. I immediately felt differently about the guitar. I stopped babying it and played the piss out of it!! Its got tons of dings etc. now and even if I really cant play much anymore , Ill never get rid of it as its my Soulmate guitar. Enjoy it for what it is and dont treat it like its some priceless relic from the past, it was made to be played so do it justice and have at it!! Again, just my two cents. Bob
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or just shove a brown sharpie in there to knock down the contrast a bit? LOL
If you were a rocker, a sticker would be the go-to solution !!!
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I agree that the damage pictured is not structural. The reason for getting it fixed quickly is that it's much easier to repair new wood than wood that has various substances embedded in it. Anything that gets on rough bare wood will get into it far enough as to make a neat repair problematic. It's a cosmetic issue more than structural. But if one doesn't care about cosmetics, it's also a moot issue.
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My L5 came with a ding, a little smaller than that but it is on the upper bout. Doesn’t look like the wood has been damaged but it has been exposed for a long time I think, certainly the 2 years I’ve had it but probably many years longer from the previous owner. There is also a smallish ding on the back of the neck showing the wood.
Is this something that will be a problem over time? I never thought to ask but reading the replies here about sealing up a ding quickly so the wood doesn’t get dirt into it makes me concerned enough to ask. I don’t care about the aesthetics of it, the guitar has been played a lot over the years but I wouldn’t want to hurt the guitar if I can do something to prevent potential damage.
Sorry for the hijack! OP I’m sorry about your accident. After the first ding the other will be easier though and it certainly could be worse!
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I'd seal that up before some malevolent spirits got into the guitar. They say that's what got to Charlie Christian, and it happened fast...
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Yup, something similar happened with this guitar. I noticed that it had quite a few QC issues and scratches, minor dings, etc. and I sort of "gave up" on trying to keep it looking new. I play this guitar for hours every day, and like you implied, there's something liberating about disregarding the superficial stuff and just playing the guitar for all it's worth. I won't ever sell this guitar anyway Originally Posted by Top of the Arch!
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