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Semi-jazz on a Strat, courtesy of the gent mentioned upthread --
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11-15-2017 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
For single notes I am working on picking etudes to get my attack right. I have 14s (TI Benson's) on my d'Angelico and you can just rely on pick just bouncing back of strings. And the action is VERY low on that one. I do not play it often enough but with floating pup it is howling machine so I am scared to take it anywhere. Plus you feel naked on that guitar - you have to be very precise - there is nowhere to hide. Strat allows you to be way more messy but I want all my notes to by round and full - gotta adjust my touch quite a bit. I try also very light picks (Robert Conti's style) - they rarely work for me on other guitar - tone is too "snappy" but on Strat they are possibility.
I think that is general rule - higher gauge allows lower action.
As for good player sounding the same no matter what gears - yes - I remember seeing that fingerstyle virtuoso Doyle Dykes doing Taylor demo at local GC store. He went through entire Taylor lineup - from 900s to 100s and sounded great on every one of them.
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Originally Posted by JGinNJ
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Originally Posted by woland
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A friend plays an Eric Johnson Strat through a Victoria amp and a reverb box of some kind. Single coils.
His sound is awesome for jazz. Of course, he sounds great on every guitar he plays.
I can't get a sound I like through a single coil in the neck position, but I love it when he does it..
Another point: my genuine Fender is a 9.5 radius, but I couldn't get used to it. The Yamaha Pacifica is 12 or 14, I can't recall the exact number. I find it very comfortable.
One other point. The Duncan Lil 59 I use replaces the Strat pickup. So it's a narrow pickup compared to the usual Gibson style HB. Apparently, that matters. It makes it lean a little more towards a single coil type sound compared to a standard size HB. Something to do with the shorter length of string which is being sensed
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Originally Posted by sgosnell
I always say ..for $200 new or $100 used ..one of the cheapest Pro Instruments you can buy I just bought one to fool around with for $99 in the 90s I think.
Pacificas usually have a Radius of 13.75".
Feels identical to 14" to me.Last edited by Robertkoa; 11-16-2017 at 02:33 PM.
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
Originally Posted by Boston Joe
Last edited by Hammertone; 11-16-2017 at 05:56 PM.
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That's not really a Strat. Strat body, but what appears to be a Tele neck, humbucker, and who knows what other mods are involved. Not a bad tone, though.
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Originally Posted by sgosnell
Since, like reality, jazz and Strats are illusory, I think there's plenty of wiggle room in the concept.
Far more important, of course, is the colour of one's strat.
Last edited by Hammertone; 11-21-2017 at 10:32 PM.
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I guess the grunge/burns on the headstock were causing the illusion. I had to blow the video up a lot to see it, but yes, that's a Strat headstock. From the small sized video it really looked like a Tele head, though. And yes, I guess the color is important, just as the color and flame on an archtop is important. It affects the perception of the tone for lots of people.
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
What I described above would be a poor man's Marchione- a totally different sounding Instrument .
I do not think of Strats as Tone Machines..I've talked to people who make them ...some famous some not-
not much demand for extending luthiery and Guitar Design is what they say -the larger Manufacturers I mean.
There's some cool stuff happening though- but if I was going to spend $5000 to $12000 on a Custom Guitar ..Fender Custom Shop would be the absolute last place I would go.
The Fender Custom Shop at one time developed and used an unusually strong Set Neck Joint but they did not attach it to a Body with either a lot of Resonance or a lower Primary Resonant Frequency (or preferably combinations of both ) to take much advantage of it.
Although they supposedly sounded very good.
And I said I have a heavy Koa Superstrat with a lot of resonance -I played one Anderson that was very loud also ..though not as deep.
I'm looking at Semis and Archtops with coil cuts to cover the Phatter Tones.
F__ - Fender Custom Shop wanted $8000 just for a Black Korina Bolt on with a few spec changes and that was about the year 1990.
And it would not have sounded radically different from the other Strats they make the weight and the Pickup switches would have made some differences- ..I laughed when I heard that price.
I don't think you are following me .
The Fender Stratocaster is on the absolute cutting edge of Guitar Technology and Luthiery and Tones in a Mass Production Assembly line application for Modern Music .
You like that Ad Copy I made up ?
Welcome to 1958...lol.Last edited by Robertkoa; 11-16-2017 at 11:15 PM.
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
Not slopping up the Bolt Joint with JB WELD lol.
Just remember ..and I'm no Luthier but I've talked to a few that you may want either a Hollow or Semi Hollow or some type of wood mass to get the full advantage of deeper Tones.
I am not sure that a 3 pound Ash Body with a Set Neck will be much deeper or have very different characteristics from a Bolt On.
The owner of US Masters in a long discussion told me ( they made or had made ) Bolts Set Necks and Neck Thrus- There IS something to a compression joint that a Bolt On Gives he said but you want tight neck pockets and a few other things ..
he had little experience with Set Neck 25.5" Scale .
Anderson Guitars has a Wedgie Joint and some of their Bolt Ons are resonant but my Superstrat does that already ..
I am trying to get 80 or 90% of a Marchione type Tone or I may just get a Seventy Seven Archtop with Coil Cuts - these are my eccentricities and I am not using Gain much at all...even light Gain..not hearing it any more.
Musicraft was $ 1800 a some years back I thought.
I would tell them what you want -the sounds etc.
A set neck semi custom is great at $1000 to $1500 with dry Mahogany or chambered or Hollow that could be killer for taking Strat Inspired stuff to new places ( while still covering the stringiness ).
I am interested in that myself maybe Musikraft lowered their Prices.?
I wonder if it's really a True Set Neck like in that picture.
I asked John Suhr about some of his set neck Strats he had done and he said they were deeper but not that much and I was on the Phone ( don't know him personally )
so didn't have much time..
He owns a Collings Semi Hollow he mentioned on TGP .
I'd like to hear a 25.5 " scale Musikraft H-S H Mahogany Set Neck with Ebony FB at about 9 pounds ( LP weight ) though.. for even $ 1500.
On another thread Korean overperforming Guitars there is a 25.5" scale Semi Made in Korea with 2 Duncan Pickups but not H-S-H and Demos are inconclusive ( Guitar World ) for Jazz Cleans...nice Fusion Tones ..they will do coil cuts.
I am trying to talk one of their Dealers into a Demo with 11s to see if it can sound like a 25.5" scale 137
I would really like to hear .012 gauge on these.
meaning more Acoustic and Phatter than a 335.
Hopefully they will get a clean oriented Player and do a thorough Demo.
They are 20 frets and the Neck Humbucker is right next to the FB- should be Phatt.
Those Andy Timmons Ibanez Models are nice for Fusion .. an exception to the Tone is in the fingers Rule because that Guitar, even the cheaper one has the Timmons Tones from those Cruiser Pickups, it has a lot of his' sound.'
Disclaimer- I do not CARE about the Strat Shape- I care about the 25.5" Scale and including some of the Classic Tones ( but with more Bloom and Early Sustain ) but going into Archtop Territory .
- "You are so dreaming Robert ."
Yes I know lol..actually the Marchione does that and it's not even trying to ( well one toggle switch and it will.
On the other hand a Seventy Seven Archtop Jazz Hawk with single coils will probably do great as well despite Scale Length..[they are not interested in 25.5" Design at this Time - takes a lot of R&D they say- and
they KNOW this far far better than I ..obviously].
(This was through their Distributor.)Last edited by Robertkoa; 11-17-2017 at 11:58 AM.
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Most solidbody jazz guitarists (who are not playing fusion) use a Telecaster or Les Paul. Having owned both, I can say that those are very good choices. But the Stratocaster was Leo Fender's answer to the Les Paul. At the time. Leo foresaw Western Swing players using the Strat. Little did he realize that the Strat was to become the most popular rock and blues guitar of all time.
Eldon Shamblin of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys was an early adopter of the Strat. Thus the Stratocaster has a Western Swing pedigree to be sure.
Country Music Singer Ginny Mitchell approached me a few years ago about playing in a Western Swing combo of hers with Patti Maxine on lap steel. As Patti is a member of the Western Swing hall of fame, how could I say no? The band "S'wang" does about 6 gigs a year, all well paid. The other day, Ginny put a video on youtube from a concert we did last year. I was playing my Stratocaster, my last solidbody (Telecasters do not do it for me and Les Paul's have become too heavy for my 60 year old shoulders). I customized my Strat to have a single Humbucker in the neck position (A Duncan 59). On most tunes with this band, I am strictly rhythm (except for the few tunes we do with simple changes where Ginny can back me on her pre-war Martin 000-18) and the tune on this video is all about Patti Maxine on the solo. I think my Stratocaster does the job. IMO, a Stratocaster is a fine choice for jazz if a solid body is needed or preferred. Enjoy.
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Love Patti's playing!
I'll be honest, I don't care for the guitar tone, and it's got nothing to do with the Strat, and everything to do with the humbucker. Too dark and heavy IMO. This could be mitigated by a somewhat different style of playing, but each to his own!Last edited by D.G.; 04-06-2018 at 04:45 PM.
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Yeah for Strats with HB neck PU !
Band sounds great, guitar chords are full sounding and that solid body just plain works (and is comfortable too I would think.)
@D.G. I do understand the fine line between full and over-heavy, but that duncan 59 is not muddy to my ears.
John
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A Strat with fat flats sounds mighty fine, and yours is no exception, Ss (Duncan '59s are a personal fave)! And Ms. Maxine sounds swell on that steel! Gigs a little outside one's usual bill of fare are good for the soul. Play on!
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I love playing a Stratocaster with big flats and using the neck pu for jazz.
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Some guys do not like humbuckers, I understand that. And some humbuckers are dark and muddy to be sure, but I love the Duncan 59 neck PUP. The Alnico 5 magnet keeps the "edge".
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Originally Posted by Greentone
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I've always liked a neck Humbucker on a Strat, but I have a Fralin single coil in mine that sounds just great for jazz.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
It's not that I think your setup doesn't make for a good jazz tone -- for work with a drummer in a more straight-ahead ensemble I think it'd be great -- I just think it isn't cutting enough for a swing rhythm guitar toneBut like I say, to each their own! After all, I'll play gypsy rhythm on a p90 archtop in my swing band and I know that campusfive (Mr. Stout) would likely frown at me pretty hard for not using an acoustic tone
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I've used strats with neck HB for decades, and the '59 is what I use as a base line to check out what a new guitar is going to require.
The '59 is pretty consistent build, I do have my earliest one with 48mm pole spacing, and the maker's initial "J" that indicates it was wound by their best (Maricella Juarez) and that PU does have extra sweetness (yes, I'm promoting interweb gear myths.)
But with all the HB love I've developed, I am recently coming around to the "bright" side again, and have been on a single coil binge.
Got a Lollar CC for the archtop a while back, but the big clear reveal was when I put Fralin P92 set on a semi. Following that, I sampled Fralin P90, Gibson P94 and just got my Biltoft HCC. There's still going to be HB guitars always within reach around me as there's really something great with them with the right match.
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Originally Posted by D.G.
Django's brother Joseph played a 59 ES-175 for most of his "post-Django" career. That guitar went to both of Django's sons, Babik and Lousson who played it. Today Django's grandson playes a 175. IMO, had Django lived longer, he too would have played a 175.
A purely acoustic guitar or even a single coil equipped electric guitar does have more "snap" for playing without drums to be sure. But IMO, a 25.5 scale guitar with a humbucker can get the job done.
And I hate the "buzz".
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