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On todays gig my ipad couldn't be waken up from sleepmode anymore after the break. When i came back home i googled remedies and succeeded to get it back to work by forcing a reboot.
Now i wonder about the reliability of these ipads. There's no way that i could repair/troubleshoot an ipad in a break between sets. Lucky today was a fairly informal birthday party gig and not a concert on a real stage, so it was easily possible to do without.
Any experiences/thought about the reliability of using ipads for reading music on the bandstand?Last edited by JazzNote; 08-11-2017 at 03:57 PM.
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08-11-2017 03:20 PM
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I've been using the same iPad with iReal Pro for over 3 years now. So far, I haven't had a single issue. All of my jazz gigs have been played with my wife (the real talent). She also uses her iPad, and we haven't had an issue with hers either. Of course, that also means that we always have a backup to look off of.
As one more backup, I always have all of the charts loaded onto my phone.
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Having ireal pro on your phone is a pretty good idea. The odds of both your phone and your tablet failing on the gig are pretty low.
Other things to consider is keeping a hard copy of real books 1 and 2 in your car.
Or do what I do, learn hundreds of tunes.
All man made devices will fail at some point. Be prepared for that.
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I hate to say it, but rebooting generally helps and something you should know how to do. If you are that dependent on your iPad for gigs then like a guitar and amp you should have a backup. Second iPad, laptop, or similar software on iPhone to use as backup cost of doing business.
Try to what the people at the Apple repair counter and trying to talk to one if you can. The initial steps they take trying to fix gear are standard and things you can learn and do yourself. Most is stuff you could do during a break and at least decide if device is dead of the night or back working again. A common problem people have with so called smart devices is they don't realize they have a handful of app's runing and chewing up memory. If you're use a computer, iPad, smartphone, etc for gigging make sure all other app's are exited before the gig start so the device has as much CPU and memory available as possible. Every OS has a different way to do it you you need to learn how to do it on your iPad. Shutting down and restarting before a gig would be another way to do it too.
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I don't gig but I play every day and I use a Surface Pro 4 as my main music device i.e. it has replaced my music stand and hard paper but that said, if I was to use it on a gig I would have to have another as backup. Even the best tablet will fail at some point. The other thing I do with the Surface Pro is I disabled sleep mode and any other energy saving setup. I have found that this is one area that often leads to problems. I'll sacrifice some battery life for stability.
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It seems to be a fairly common issue.
My current and ex gf's both had this happen more than once. Eventually they both went to Android pads because they liked mine. Add to that they had a tutor to show them how to use them it was a no brainer.
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To reset a crashed iPad simply do the following: Press and hold the Sleep/Wake button and the Home button at the same time for at least ten seconds, until the Apple logo appears.
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?Total power down and restart. Clears the cobwebs and unfrags memory.
Folks don't realize you can't run all the time, open and close apps over and over and not fragment the memory.
You go to open your music app and the thing freezes. Power down, reboot...
Like flushing the toilet, gets rid of all the shit. That was my gig for 40 years fellas, trust me it's the mundane stuff that causes and fixes problems.
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But, but...buying 2 iPad's, 2 amps, 2 guitars, that's like a lifetime of gig earnings today!
Originally Posted by docbop
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Egads, I've owned Andriod phones and tablets since time zero and I've never had to do a complete shutdown to get the phone to work. A crap designed app? Sure but not the phone or Android supplied app.
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2 amps, 2 guitars sounds kind of cool, but to the idea of 2 iPads i hesitate .... Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
But, but...buying 2 iPad's, 2 amps, 2 guitars, that's like a lifetime of gig earnings today!
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Compete shutdown? Ummm....it's turning just off the device and turning it back on. Takes a few seconds. No data loss, no big deal. I guess you haven't experienced the BSOD on a Windows device? Originally Posted by GNAPPI
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We're talkin Apple and Andriod, focus is always best Originally Posted by MacGringo
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It don't matter. All devices including laptops, smart phones etc.. need a reboot every once in a while. This improves performance. Originally Posted by GNAPPI
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Greg,
I operated computers way back since 1966, so spare us the Google v Apple bull.
It's a fact of life any computer needs a reboot, don't embarrass yourself man.
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Who is Greg? Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
If you're talking to me, I'm not the one losing market share so I don't give a hoot who or what reboots. Microsoft is a dinosaur as are every computer company and software maker from the beginning.
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Smartphones, tablets ARE computers. All were saying is these devices need to be shut off (cold or warm reboot) every once in a while as it will improve the performance of the OS. Originally Posted by GNAPPI
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Elucidation... I had no idea. And Mike, there is no Android vs. Apple bull, so don't soil your britches. Numbers do everything for us. If I ran a company that went from 100% market share to less than 1/3 I wouldn't touch that comment with a 10 foot pole. Originally Posted by MacGringo
Add to that AOS (Android open source) tablets aren't even counted in O/S market share which by some accounts there are nearly a billion. No bull, no brand loyalty, I just demand stuff that works better and easier, who makes it is irrelevant.
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My wife and I purchased two iPad 3's nearly four years ago. We've had no problems other than being abandoned by Apple with the IOS 10 release. I think my only freeze resulted from running short of memory (16GB doesn't go far these days). Even so, I like having a backup for gigging. Usually I know I'll be able to look over a bandmate's shoulder. I also keep my iReal-Pro charts on my phone, and high strength reading glasses so I can see it! It's also good to have a Li-ion backup battery in the gear bag.
Last edited by KirkP; 08-11-2017 at 09:55 PM.
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I have been using an iPad for sheet music for years. I've never had a problem with malfunctioning, etc. I did break the screen on one when it got knocked over, though, even with a protective cover. They are more fragile (and expensive) than paper charts! Not to mention that many gigs occur in the company of the less-than-sober. There are some options such as clamp-type holders that attach to a mic stand, more stable than most music stands.
FWIW I use Unrealbook as my app, which handles PDFs for individual tunes as well as multipage PDFs like the Real Books. It can do set lists, links charts with sound files, markup charts, etc.
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Originally Posted by GNAPPI
No offence GNAPPI, but I have no idea what you're talking about; Numbers, Market share???? You sound angry.
Anyway, the OP was about reliability and having to reboot his tablet when frozen. There's a quick/easy way to do this on the Apple iPad by pressing and holding the Sleep/Wake button and the Home button at the same time for at least ten seconds, until the Apple logo appears. So he could have done this at the gig instead of waiting until he got home. We also mentioned that any smart device should be rebooted (cold or warm) every once in a while as this helps improve performance, by closing any running background tasks. flushes ram and clears cache files. Diagnostics are often run during reboot time so small errors are often automatically fixed. Thanks and have a great weekend.Last edited by MacGringo; 08-12-2017 at 08:34 AM.
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I have been gigging with an iPad 2 for years. The only problem I have had with it is if it gets too hot outside in the sun it will go into thermal protection mode and shutdown and won't turn on until it cools. We do a farmers market once a month and now plan our set for that gig so we turn it off and pull it out of the sun. We bring no backup for it, mainly because we have most of our set memorized. It is nice to have if we get a request or have added a new tune that all the members may not have memorized. We are a trio and sit pretty close to each so we can read off of one iPad.
In the below video, we hide it behind our sign. These two two tunes we hadn't memorized yet and had to read it so it is not our best rendition. I'm on the bass and my two sons are on tenor banjos. We are a trad jazz band.
Last edited by madbanjoman; 08-12-2017 at 10:26 AM.
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Docbop, of course you are perfectly right with all you write here. So far i didn't take the time to get into these things, but that's exactly what i need to do (and started just yesterday). I have quite a good grasp of how to maintain computers, this thread has made me aware that an ipad has to be treated like a computer. The only thing is that i'd hate to get a second iPad Pro as a backup. At home i'm operating with three laptops, i have this iPad and an iPhone. To get yet one more device would be too overstepping my personal limit. Originally Posted by docbop
I'm using igigbook, this allows me to use all original music with notes of every band/musician i play with, so i guess i will need to decide on which gigs i can't take chances by not bringing hardcopies of the specific music.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Having ireal pro on your phone is a pretty good idea. The odds of both your phone and your tablet failing on the gig are pretty low.
Other things to consider is keeping a hard copy of real books 1 and 2 in your car.
Or do what I do, learn hundreds of tunes.
All man made devices will fail at some point. Be prepared for that.
Stringswinger, i use igigbook. This has something like irealpro integrated, but that's not the main thing. The main thing are the 40 indexed realbooks which i installed, and that i can find each indexed title by search function and open the page almost immediately. This is huge, adds to far more memory than my brain ever could set free for remembering music.
On yesterdays gig i used it mainly for the sax player because the host unexpectedly showed appreciation for Sinatra related tunes and the saxophonist needed the music for most of them. It's not just about me ;-). Edit: well maybe it is ...... as i'd do (almost) everything to make my fellow musicians book me again for their gigs.Last edited by JazzNote; 08-12-2017 at 12:03 PM.
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Mike's right. All systems benefit from an IPL or reboot. That's not to say it remedies all issues, but memory leaks, fragmentation, abandoned storage all her resolved by restarting and reloading.
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