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The Benedetto website says 24 5/8" which I find amazing.
Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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06-06-2017 05:57 PM
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Pat Martino also used the Gibson L5-S too - a very heavy solid body interpretation of the L-5. Not really related much to the Les Paul IMO but an interesting guitar. Apparently these are very heavy, though I haven't had the chance to try one yet.
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I've played a bunch of them, in their various iterations - trapeze tailpiece, stop tailpiece, lo-z pickups, hi-z pickups. Colossally stupid guitar, for fanboyz and collectors. Usually idiotically heavy, with terrible necks and gigantic volutes. But they look cool. YMMV, of course. Originally Posted by entresz
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Hi Hammertone,
From what I've read on the internet- many people share your opinion. Apparently insanely heavy and not much 'sonic reward' for all that weight. They're such a pretty to look at guitar though.
Billy Butler used one too; the low impedance version - didn't know that.
I know of someone who had both a Low Impedance L5-S and a Les Paul Recording. He said the L5-S sounded very "cold" compared to the Les Paul. The Les Paul was by far the better sounding the guitar in his opinion. Pickup placement perhaps? Or all the maple? Who knows.
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Several years ago, I read a post by Pat himself at, IIRC, a Pat Martin forum (is it still going?), and he stated that he had used the L5-S on the entire We'll Be Togther Again (1976). And also that it been recorded direct through the board! That's probably been my favorite PM album for years now (among so many great ones), with IMO a really great tone, and I was totally amazed to find these facts out, since for years I'd assumed it was surely some kind of hollow body mic'ed really well. Nope. Solid body thru the board. Surprise! Originally Posted by entresz
Pat Martino also used the Gibson L5-S too - a very heavy solid body interpretation of the L-5. Not really related much to the Les Paul IMO but an interesting guitar. Apparently these are very heavy, though I haven't had the chance to try one yet.
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The man himself... Originally Posted by Hammertone
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I guess it is the all maple thing. I had once a 1979 Les Paul Deluxe with a maple neck. Changed the P90's in it. Terribly heavy beast. I could never like the sound. Very different from any LP I have had (ca 10). Kinda oily, slippery, cold sound, like a hifi, a bit scooped mids. Originally Posted by entresz
It took a long time until I realised that it was the maple neck that made it sound like that. I had thought that it was only visual thing to have a blonde neck!
The neck is a big part of the sound of a LP – too. I had a 1992 Standard for almost 30 years. It had a thin slim taper neck. The sound was weak, nasal and dark. Tried almost every pickup pn earth in it but always the same.
My Reissue 1956 and 1958 have thicker necks and gorgeous, rich, bold sound.
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I tried out a few LP's but the body was just a tad to small for my liking, also I have never been a big fan of rosewood finger boards. I opted, instead, for a Kiesel SH550, which has a bigger body, ebony fingerboard, is MUCH lighter (due to its chambered body), and it gave me the luxury of having a one-off guitar built to my own personal tastes at a very reasonable price ($2,800 w/ hard case delivered). This one has their new "Lithium" pickups, which are quite "peppy" when they want to be, but easily tamed to be smooth and mellow as needed:
I like it so much I now have a Kiesel FG-1 (the Frank Gambale model) in the works
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Strange that Pat was so close to dying all those years ago, yet he's thankfully still with us and everyone else listed on this cover are gone. Originally Posted by ooglybong
The man himself...
I thought I'd read that WBTA was the L5s played through a twin. No matter, it's sounds fantastic either way.
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my good god! Originally Posted by 999369
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Les Paul shaped Benedetto Bambino? Originally Posted by Scotto
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I totally agree about his sound on WBTA, and that's what I had assumed (L5 etc.) for decades. But still, I wondered, so when I eventually came across Pat's recollections some years ago, I was pretty much stunned. Anyway, I finally just remembered to look back thru my files, and I had in fact copied Pat's response some years ago. This 2006 posting of his covers WBTA and more... Originally Posted by whiskey02
Pat Martino's Comments on Guitars Used on His Albums (especially on We'll Be Together Again)!
FROM (now apparently a dead link): http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/showt...Martino/page16
"July 29th, 2006, 04:34 PM#239
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Originally Posted by JazzNote
Hi Pat,
Thanks a lot for giving precise instructions on how to stuff the guitar. Being from Europe i'm not too well aquainted with American lifestyle, so the first question which comes up may sound somewhat silly:
Are the pillow cases you talk about made from plain cotton cloth, or is there anything special to them?
Do we hear Your "stuffed" L5 on the sixties recordings like El Hombre and Strings?
Also i'd be most curious to know what guitar You played on the "We Will Be Together Again" recording? besides the awesome playing, the sound of the guitar is just gorgeous. And on "Nightwings" / "The Maker"?
Jazz Note,
1. The fabric makes no difference.
2. Yes, on both of those albums the guitar is “stuffed”. Although, I used two different guitars on those dates. On "El Hombre" I used a Gibson Johnny Smith Model, (stuffed) while on "Strings" I used an L-5 CES, (stuffed).
3. On "We’ll Be Together Again" I used a solid body Gibson L-5 S. On both "Nightwings", and "The Maker" I used a custom made solid body, (which I named Scepter) made by Abe Rivera as a gift.
Cheers!"
Interesting stuff, eh? I'm also pretty sure Pat used the same L-5 S on Joyous Lake, too—another absolute favorite of mine that was obviously in a very different direction. They were even recorded within the same year (WBTA, Feb. 1976 and Joyous Lake, Sept. 1976).
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Man that is beautiful. Love the color selection and reasonable for a custom build. Thanks for sharing
Originally Posted by CruzinLow
I tried out a few LP's but the body was just a tad to small for my liking, also I have never been a big fan of rosewood finger boards. I opted, instead, for a Kiesel SH550, which has a bigger body, ebony fingerboard, is MUCH lighter (due to its chambered body), and it gave me the luxury of having a one-off guitar built to my own personal tastes at a very reasonable price ($2,800 w/ hard case delivered). This one has their new "Lithium" pickups, which are quite "peppy" when they want to be, but easily tamed to be smooth and mellow as needed:
I like it so much I now have a Kiesel FG-1 (the Frank Gambale model) in the works
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Gorgeousness! Originally Posted by CruzinLow
I tried out a few LP's but the body was just a tad to small for my liking, also I have never been a big fan of rosewood finger boards. I opted, instead, for a Kiesel SH550, which has a bigger body, ebony fingerboard, is MUCH lighter (due to its chambered body), and it gave me the luxury of having a one-off guitar built to my own personal tastes at a very reasonable price ($2,800 w/ hard case delivered). This one has their new "Lithium" pickups, which are quite "peppy" when they want to be, but easily tamed to be smooth and mellow as needed:
I like it so much I now have a Kiesel FG-1 (the Frank Gambale model) in the works
Aren't this formerly called Carvin Guitars?
I recognize that body and (new) name.
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It may be just me, but I never liked les pauls. NEver owned and never will (same with sg's and metal axes). Too heavy, and dont like the look. I stay by hollows, semi hollows, petite and grand bouches, and teles.
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I was never a big fan of the Les Paul. A friend has had one for many years; one that had been partially burned in a house fire and resurrected. That guitar weighs in at over 11 lbs. He loves the tone and action, but it reeks havoc on his ailing back.
I picked up a Les Paul Studio a few years ago in a trade. With the chambered body, it weighs 7.5 lbs. It has a beefy D-shaped neck and Classic 57 humbuckers and I simply love it. It's not my #1 go-to guitar, but I could never see myself parting with it.
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I also picked up a Les Paul Studio just last week. Mine has a chambered body, chunky 50's neck and 490/498 pickups. It is very light and comfortable. It is perfectly balanced when sitting. It's a very nice guitar. Feels fantastic and looks great too (wine red with gold hardware). Originally Posted by grandstick01
Keith
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LP's are a young cats guitar if they play a lot. The typical 50's through 70's boat anchors which were heavy, but so are some strats I have one that tips the scales well over 8 pounds.
Not ALL LP's are 10 pound back breakers and not all are heavy. If you actually consider them Les Pauls, there's the ES, Florentine, and chambered models as well as some fairly lightweight double cut and juniors that have lots of the typical LP vibe without the need for Doan's back pain pills :-)
As far as it being THE BEST git ever invented goes... it's like cameras, the best one in the world is the one you use.
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Lust!!! Originally Posted by Hammertone
You'd need the right Les Paul and the right amp - similar to what Jim Hall used early on in his career.
'54 - '56 Gibson Les Paul Custom (all-mahogany body, AlNiCo V pickup in the neck position, P-90 in the bridge position). The modern equivalent is the Gibson '54 Les Paul Custom (all-mahogany body, AlNiCo V pickup in the neck position, P-90 in the bridge position) made from the '70s to the '90s, or the Gibson '54 Les Paul Custom Historic Reissue (all-mahogany body, AlNiCo V pickup in the neck position, P-90 in the bridge position) which replaced it.
Played through an old Gibson GA-50 amp - the circuit is available to be cloned. One modern equivalent is the (expensive) SeQuel Tribute amp. There may be others.
The guitar looks like this. Gibson was mightily pissed off at Les for using a competitor's pickup (Gretsch had an exclusive deal with Dearmond) on a Gibson, so they solved the problem by making their own version of it that looked different enough so that Dearmond wouldn't sue them. It's a direct steal of the Dearmond Model 2000 "Dynasonic" pickup that Les Paul favoured, executed by Seth Lover:
OK, the whole thing. This one is my '94. It weighs 8 1/2 pounds::
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I find that the neck pickup on my Les Paul into a clean Fender amp is a very good jazz tone. The pickup drives a tube amp easily into a fat, rich tone. It is not as open or woody as good jazz box but certainly usable. Easily as good a my Tele for jazz. As far as weight, my 2010 LP Traditional has weight relief holes so it is 8lbs 11oz. Maybe not as airy as my Godin Montreal (6lbs 4oz) or my Tele (7lbs 3 oz) but it compares well with an ES 335 (mid 8lb range) a guitar few people complain about as heavy. However, I am slowly but surely coming to the conclusion I much prefer a 25.5" scale guitar so I am playing my LP and Godin less and less and my Tele more.
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I have the same feelings. That Epi Johnny A has piqued my interest because of that. Whammy bar, too. I don't have a guitar with one. The problem is if I don't order one now I may never find one that is reasonably priced unless they start producing oodles of them. I can resist I guess Originally Posted by DRS
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Les Paul (Dickey Betts)
1957. Gold top.
Carr amp. New (Mercury V)
Black gator sides with Fawn -- Slub middle
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+1 on all-mahogany Les Paul Custom. I've played probably as many Les Pauls as Fenders. My favorites were the old LP Custom I used to use in the mid-70s through a Fender Pro Reverb Amp and the SG Custom I owned before that. (a Les Paul, except that Mr. Paul had Gibson drop his name to avoid having to split even more assets with his wife during the divorce)
The mahogany ones get the best jazz tone...including the Les Paul Recording guitars.
Weight? There are plenty of 10-pound Telecasters out there, too, folks. We just don't talk about them much. You know what? The heavy Fenders sound good, too. They just aren't in vogue right now.
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Mine is quite light, has 57 classic pafs, and i really like it for its bluesy sounds, and as a rock guitar. Love the scale and the small size too. But i think a tele is MUCH better for getting a jazz tone with a solidbody. These days gibson makes a few models that are between the les paul and the 335 though, but i 've never had any of them.
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I alway wanted a Les Paul and finally got once when I worked in a music store and got employee pricing. I never bonded with it and ended up selling it about a year or two later. The weight, the small body, the body shape, but I am a huge Tele fan so it has to be something about the body shape.
I get tempted to trying a LP again, but these days the necks on them are on the thin side to me, but if I find a good deal I might try again.
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