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Originally Posted by Little Jay
I think the difference could be due to the bridge (biggie). I've been tempted to slip a wood bridge on there just to see what it sounds like. Maybe weight, but the Gibson 175 is 6 pounds 8 oz, and the Epiphone is 6 pounds 5 ounces; I doubt the 3 oz. makes s difference.
So it could also be about the electronics. Maybe pots and caps are different?Last edited by lawson-stone; 01-17-2017 at 06:55 PM.
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01-17-2017 06:45 PM
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If the pickups in the Epi Premium '175's weren't legit that would be false advertising, yes?
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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I don't think so. Why would Gibson issue a warning to its own subsidiary company? Epiphone has been owned by Gibson for a very long time.
The price a consumer has to pay for an aftermarket pickup is not what Gibson (or Epiphone) pays, and the prices aren't even comparable. Gibson's cost is far less than half the retail price.
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Epiphone/Gibson were completely straight forward in the marketing of the Epi 175 Premium that the pickups are Gibson USA 57's. The truth of that is obvious to anyone who has played one, because the pickups make it sound really really good --- so much better than the previous Epiphone 175 version.
The change to Gibson 57's was one of the major factors in making this model "premium"
This thread is sorta getting derailed on a confusion sort of non-real issue.
Also, the Epi has a mahogany neck, in case anyone is sorting out the details.
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Yes, there seemed to have a confusion on the neck wood. It's clearly mahogany and not maple ; you can see the wood grain of the neck on the natural version, which is clearly mahog.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Admitting I would want to swap the TOM bridge only (leaving the wooden base of the original bridge) for a rosewood one, what model would fit?
Are the measurements typically US Gibson, or different? I ask because I'm definitaly going to order the Epi (the video has sold me), and order right away a wood bridge. The problem with those foreign far east guitars is that they somtimes blend Metric and US parts.
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Well now that we've listened to the recording .. Tell us a bit about the drivers seat experience Lawson.
I hear a lot more of a thunk/honk from the Gibsons and imagine they are much easier to play in the way they react soundwise. Also there the feel issue, but I think that has been covered earlier.
Am I mistaken?
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Yes very good question
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Kudos for posting playing efforts, as well as for providing us some insight into sound possibilities of these guitars.
Regarding the "test", I mean it is more than we could ask of you, or anybody, but have to say, I wish you matched 3 takes in
- over all level of the mix (for listening)
- guitar absolute levels (in isolation)
- relative levels of guitar and other instruments within the mix
- picking hand position
Also, I wish there were separate recordings of electric signal only, and acoustic sound only (in presented clip we get some combination of the two).
I'm sure it would put even more head scratching time on "holly grail" of guitar tone types.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Originally Posted by Vladan
The guitars are all isolated in the Right channel, so if you turn down the left you can just hear the guitars.
In mastering, I did nothing to the recording for EQ. I turned the background track down to about 70%, bumped the guitars all up to about 120% to correct for the balance (I wanted to really hear the background well while recording, but didn't want it dominant in the mix). In final mix I raised the overall volume to about 120% IIRC.
I nearly always pick in the same place, about halfway between the end of the neck and the bridge.
I have no interest at all in separating acoustic/electric. These are electric guitars, I don't care about the acoustic side. But I might try to do that, maybe with a solo guitar sample, just for fun, or just to please you!
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Originally Posted by Jx30510
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
It could be that there is a difference in the electronic schematics of the guitars: 50ies versus modern wiring. Chances are the VOS is 50ies and the 165 and Epiphone are modern:
That would change the behavior of tone and volume pots so guitars would sound different at the same pot-settings, but in theory I think both wiring methods should sound the same with all pots fully up.
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Originally Posted by Little Jay
What's the deal where some old Gibson's turn all the volume down if one volume knob is turned all the way down?
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Is that why my old 175 doesn't cut that much tone when it's rolled off? (I like that BTW)
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Here are the best shots I could get of the wiring in my VOS1959 ES175. Does this give any clue on how it's wired?
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Overall level of the mix is not a number. It means that various mixes of same piece of music should sounding as being of the same level. Your 3 mixes do not. I have to turn volume knob clock wise and counter clock wise in order to match listening levels.
Balance is right, or it is not, I don't care about that, it's personal preference. What I said, balance of guitar vs. backing is definitely different from one take to another.
Guitars are isolated, though not completely, some backing can be heard from right, but I was not speaking abut that. What I wished for means all 3 guitar takes to sound as being of the same level, on listening to them, in isolation. Your 3 takes do not. I have to turn volume knob clock wise and counter clock wise in order to match listening levels. Those % numbers you cite are meaningless.
You pick nearly the same place, but not in the same place. Your hand moves by 2 inches from take to take. Or it's an optical illusion.
If you are into electric sound only, then you should be very much interested in separating acoustic from electric. To have it all electric, you should not use the mic, but go direct, via cable, from suitable output to recording input.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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I'm sure (and I hope) you didn't intend to Vladan, but frankly, your reaction sounds like criticism...... I think Lawson already did a great job and what you are asking for seems a bit much.....
Last edited by Little Jay; 01-18-2017 at 11:59 AM.
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Originally Posted by Vladan
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There's one in every crowd
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Originally Posted by djelley
Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Only when you started talking nonsense in your overly defensive response to my post, I critiqued that one and actually gave you some good info.
Regarding buying, not all 3, but even 1 of those guitars is beyond my financial situation, as well as I think it's not really a smart thing to do.
So, you can take your guitars together with your money and ...
Originally Posted by Little Jay
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