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Just bumped into a Peavey Bandit 112 made in the USA with the Sheffield speaker for under $100. Reverb doesnt work otherwise it looks it nice shape. I was thinking about dropping in an Eminence Legend 1258 speaker I have . These amps seem to have decent reputation. Any thoughts as a jazz amp with a D'angelico EXL-1(Korean) with a Shadow Attila Zollar AZ 48 floater. I'm looking at it in a day or two anything particular to watch out for ?
Will
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01-12-2017 11:21 PM
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Not a bad a choice at all. No problem getting clean warm sound out of a Bandit. Even Jack Zucker - who is extremely picky and fussy about gear - has said that a Bandit with the right speaker can get you about 90% of the way to the sound of a more expensive boutique amp for the clean warm sound.
The 'Red Stripe' version of the USA-made Bandit seems to be most sought after and some consider the best version. There are also Silver Stripe and Teal Stripe bandits from before the Red Stripe version and they seem alright too. Even the older 80's Bandits (Bandit 65) have gotten approval as jazz amps from some folks.
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i notice that peavey has reissued the transtube bandit and it appears to be slightly lighter than the original models. 40lbs. The original ones were closer to 50. I wonder what they changed?
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I just got a new Bandit. It can be kind of quaky sounding, basically it has a mid range eq focus. I was thinking about putting in a Eminence Legend or Hemp Dog to get the bass to begin to be more woofy than it currently is. You might just be able to tweak the frequencies with a parametric eq in the effects loop using the factory speaker. I did run my amp sims through my pre-amp and effects loop and know that the factory speaker can get more woofy/bassy sounding.
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I have a redstripe, made-in-USA Bandit, purchased new sometime around 2002.
I've replaced the stock speaker with an Eminence Delta Pro 12A, and the sound works for me. With that speaker it doesn't have a lot of high-end chime or harshness, but the frequency response seems balanced to me. (The Delta Pro 12A has a rather flat response curve.) I'd be interested in learning what Jack Zucker thinks appropriate speaker replacements would be - I'm not a quarter of the player he is, but I've always found his opinions interesting at the very least.
I've been happy with the tone of the amp with a Gibson ES335 and with a Heritage Sweet 16 with a Kent Armstrong floater in a big band setting, and with the 335 and a Fat Tele in the inevitable "blues jam" setting. Didn't work as well with an Ovation piezo compared to two other amps I have, but it was usable.
I only have two negative things to say about the amp - it's heavy, especially with the Delta Pro 12A; and the cosmetics aren't to my taste. Soundwise, though, it works very well.
I think the Bandit would work well as a jazz amp for the OP, particularly at that price. Outboard reverbs are easy to come by, and onboard reverbs are sometimes not hard to repair, so I wouldn't take the non-functioning reverb as a deal-breaker.
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Huh. The bulk of the weight in these things is the speaker and the cabinet itself. It's hard to imagine where they could shave off nearly 10 lbs. Cabinet material ? I don't recall that the chassis with the transformer really weighed all that much so I can't see a big weight reduction there.
Originally Posted by agentsmith
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I have an 80's Bandit 65 that I use as an emergency backup. The particleboard(?) cabinet weighs 21 pounds of the 43 pound total. I was going to build a pine cabinet and replace the Scorpion speaker with my SICA neo 12" to lighten things up but the Peavey folks told me that that amp will not be happy with the 4 ohm load of the SICA (stock Scorpion is 8 ohm) so I dropped the whole project. If I decide to use it, I just carefully lift it in and out of the car and use a dolly to move it. Pretty nice little amp - reverb sucks and it has some sort of switchable overdrive mess that I haven't even investigated but it's loud enough for my purposes, fairly clean and I stick a reverb pedal in front of it and away I go.
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Thanks everyone for the input- I went and checked out the amp and took it home for $75.00. It is a Redstripe Made in USA version with the block logo/plate on the front grill and the Sheffield 1230 speaker installed. After a cleaning and installing my Eminence Legend 1258 speaker which I took out of my now dead Roland Blues Cube BC60 I am a seriously happy boy. Very clean warm and full and surprisingly loud tone/sound with the clean channel on modern and the EQ flat. There are a couple of Master( Presence/Cab Emulations/10-100% power compression simulation- whatever that means)) controls available that I will have to explore to see what suits my current hearing. I have an Empress Para EQ so will use that to dial things in.
It has the external speaker jack on back so if I understand this correctly I can add another properly rated external speaker to create an overall tone which blends the characteristics of two different speakers which on first glance sounds interesting.
va3ux - the cabinet on my version is very heavily built I can see where they could back off/redesign and create a lighter cab. I could weigh them I guess but I think the Sheffield 1230 speaker I took out is heavier than the Eminence Legend 1258 I put in.
Will
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How can you go wrong for $75?
PV used prices go way down low. I bought a used Transtube PV for only $150 or so, and I've used it on a lot of gigs where I have to get a pop/rock sound, and I've never had any problems with it yet.
Next week I'm gonna use it for ten shows, and I'm not afraid to leave it in the theater, my trunk, or the rehearsal space. If it gets stolen, I'll just buy another.
With my AI amps, I'd never leave them anywhere overnight.
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Will - you stole it. 75 bucks for one of those - even if the reverb is not working - is a hell of deal. You have a good rock solid amp there.
I have the same amp (Red Stripe) but it's been in storage for a few years so I haven't seen it in a while. But I do know that the cabinet is pretty solid and well made.
Theres a pile of youtube videos praising this amp. There also seems to be a lot of praise for it over on TDPRI.
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The originals were MDF board. That stuff is super heavy. You could easily save 10lbs going to plywood.
Originally Posted by va3ux
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MDF to plywood. Hadn't thought of that. MDF is very dense and heavy, no question there.
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I have a 80's Bandit 65 -- good loud clean amp. I paid $50 for it - everything works, and it was in really good condition. Old Peavey amps are absolute bargains. I also have a Peavey Session 400, big loud SS amp with 15" speaker- that has tone that's as good as any high end jazz guitar amp (also v. heavy!!).
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I checked and mine is MDF for the record. It would not be that difficult to remove the amp assembly and speaker and make a very nice sleek head/separate cab setup . I disassembled cleaned and reassembled mine already. btw I replaced my generic patch cables with Low Capacitance Studio One cables and wow!!! a tiny little bit more background hiss but a very distinctly more open tonal clarity and focus who knew
I can hear an almost bell like tone with this amp/cable combo I wasn't hearing before that I am really enjoying.
Will
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If you allow more high frequencies to pass, you'll get a little more high frequency hiss, no way around that. High capacitance blocks high frequencies, but some people seem to prefer that, and use instrument cables with high capacitance. To each his own, but that's not mine.
And yet another way to reduce weight in an amp is to use smaller and lighter transformers. Other than the cabinet, that's the heaviest part of an amp.Last edited by sgosnell; 01-16-2017 at 03:57 PM.
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Dang I've got a Bandit 112 in the room over my garage and I never once in over 20 years played one of my archtops through it. Gotta give that go...
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As I have already mentioned elsewhere on this forum, I have a Peavey Bandit, and replaced the stock speaker with the stock Fender Special Design speaker from my Blues Jr. (in which I put an Eminence Cannabis Rex). From what I've read, the Fender Special Design is basically an Eminence 1258.
The Bandit is a very trebly amp, but with that speaker it gets a very nice jazz sound through the clean channel with all of the tone controls on 0 (zero).
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Love your playing- would be very interested in what you think
Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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The Eminence legend 1258 seems to do a nice job dynamically opening up the amp clean tone without creating issues which was my hope-I imagine that there are probably a number of good speaker options depending on what you are trying to leverage tonaly - Will
Originally Posted by jbernstein91
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My Bandit sounds MUCH better with the Fender Special Design - which, as I said, is basically an Eminence Legend 1258 - than with the Peavey Blue Marvel speaker that was in it originally.
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I just read a comment section of a video the Andy Brown uses one.No details though.
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You may want to try cleaning the reverb tank connectors with some spray cleaner/lubricant. Might get the reverb to work again, or just replace the tank itself....pretty easy to do and not expensive (should be under 30 bucks).
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Peavey 65 owner here. Moved into a flat and it was too loud for practice. Unfortunately sold it and got a Fender Champion. 20 years ago now! Jeez...
Anyone here got to try the Peavey Windsor? That looks like a cool piece of kit.
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I ended up doing a bit of reverb exploring and realized I really like plate versus spring . So I bought a CatalinBread Talsiman. Used to a point where it is just noticeable in the mix it adds a beautiful rich fullness and natural sounding sustain at least to my ear Originally Posted by wesmont17
WillLast edited by WillMbCdn5; 03-18-2017 at 09:02 PM.
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I think they went from pressed-board to plywood for the cabinet somewhere in the production run, though that's a fuzzy memory and not a fact. Originally Posted by agentsmith
ETA: Perhaps a fuzzy memory from this thread? lolLast edited by Thumpalumpacus; 03-19-2017 at 04:15 AM.
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