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I only tried an Evans briefly and it does not sound "neutral". Honestly I think your best bet is an old Polytone - sounds amazing, not exactly neutral but very different from a Fender tube amp, has fx loop, not class d.. and very cheap in the US. The 8 models are particularly good imo.
The Solemate should make you happy. I have a Spring Theory and I do like it but I find the Zoom spring reverb of my MS100BT is good enough. I would love to try a Topanga.
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01-20-2016 10:16 AM
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So last night for the first time ever, I plugged my ES165 into my Ultrasound Pro200 acoustic guitar amp. Results were surprisingly nice. The ultrasound has two 8" and a horn.
The high end was not perfect, maybe because I don't love the performance of the horn, so I tend to run it almost off.
But - for some reason, the lows and mids are somewhat uncolored, unhyped and accurate. Pretty much what I would like to hear from my Eastman, but it does not perform nearly as well with the Eastman, the lows and low mids being cloudy and muffled.
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Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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I'm looking at my Puma 900, a decent quality German class D bass head, and it has no jacks to access the pre and output stages separately. It doe have an effects loop. Could the loop be used in that way?
If so, I could obtain a pre and tone stack appropriate for jazz guitar in a pedal and put it into the loop, giving me in effect a class D guitar head? Or would the gain staging or something else be wrong?
I would do this as maybe I could borrow an appropriate front end somewhere, and then I could hear the power section in action on my guitar.
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Originally Posted by wengr
I don't think it controls the reverb, which has it's own control.
Like I said, I might not be clear about what you want, but if this information is helpful, I'm happy.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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I think my Eastman AR805CE sounds great when I use the pickup and a microphone and then mix them together.
I think there's a limit to how much acoustic tone you can really capture using the magnetic pickup alone.
Maybe you need an amp with an instrument and microphone channel?
Seems there's a lot of love here for Quilters. I stopped at a local dealer and started to try the micropro II 10 and the aviator 10. Seemed there was a lot of noise that he could not get rid of at low volumes. We tried different instrument cables and his personal guitar as well. I was little surprised.
I had tried an AER Compact 60/3 a few days before and I was unable to hear any background noise or hiss.
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An AI head is powerful, clean, neutral sounding, though IMHO not too inspiring in itself, because it is meant primarily for acoustic instruments. But it's great as a very versatile basis of a module system and it can be used for a lot of different things and can be hooked up in several different ways. When coupled with an appropiate preamp or EQ pedal it sounds really great. What an appropiate pedal is depends on the sound one wants. I use it with a Sansamp Paradriver DI in front. Some use a BarbEQ if they specifically go for a more Fenderish sound. If one just wants "clean" EQ, the Empress ParaEQ is great. But of course there are many more great pedals out there that I haven't tried.
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Many powered speakers are class D and/or have digital circuitry of some sort.
Based on your description you should look into Polytone or Evans amplifiers. Or older model SS bass amplifiers.
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Originally Posted by DanielleOMOriginally Posted by DanielleOM
Originally Posted by DanielleOMLast edited by wengr; 01-20-2016 at 03:37 PM.
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Originally Posted by wengr
Here's a picture of the controls for the amp I have. You can see the level control for the effects loop. Maybe you'll see something here that give you information I am not aware you need.
Of course, each model is slightly different.
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I have built the same reverb as Clark for years. It happens to be the same circuit that the less expensive Fender unit uses. It is a classic. The mix knob mixes the dry signal with the "wet" (reverb) signal. The dwell knob determines the overall amount of reverberation, i.e., the excitation of the spring unit. The tone knob does...what a tone knob does.
This three knob circuit is about as good as it gets with an analog, all-tube circuit. I have used this circuit since the 1960s and prefer it to all else for guitar. If you like the reverb on the Fender Twin Reverb you will like this reverb circuit even more.
Class-D amps sound pretty darned good, to me. If you try amps like the AI or the Henriksen (particularly the "Bud" with the 6.5" speaker), you will get a very faithful amplification system for an archtop guitar for jazz.
FWIW though, I think that the best I ever heard an Eastman archtop sound was a player who was using a silverface Fender Super Reverb Amp. I wouldn't have guessed that necessarily, but the rig (and the player) sounded outstanding.
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Originally Posted by wengr
I had a Benedetto Bravo (A6 pickup). w/ TI Jazz Swing 12 strings I liked what I was hearing. Seemed very accurate with clarity and note separation. Played with amp eq flat. Not a lot of bass with eq flat but did not take time to adjust the eq.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
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My suggestion would be an AI Clarus Head with John Buscarino's Chameleon Speaker. The speaker is a two-way, 8" with a switch for electric or acoustic modes. The heads are roughly 4lb. and the speakers are 23lbs. I can play either my archtop with a magnetic PU (speaker in electric mode) or my nylon with a Barbera through that rig (speaker in acoustic mode).
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Originally Posted by DanielleOM
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Ok, in the last few days I have learned that I should be able to make up a really good class D amplifier from stuff that I already have.
I will take my DTar Solstice premap that I use live for acoustic flat tops, and insert it's output into the effects loop return of my TecAmp Puma 900 class D bass head. I would think that this should provide a class D had that should rival anything typically available.
Also, in the event that the bass mid and treble controls are not perfectly situated for archtop guitars, I have a DTar Equinox parametric EQ that I can loop into the preamp. That gives me a really decent pre, para eq and notch filter, into a good quality output stage.
However I have no good cabinet to use, else I would be reporting the results already.
If I can't find one to borrow, I'll grab an adapter and have to use a speaker in a combo amp. May not be ideal, but better than nothing.Last edited by wengr; 01-22-2016 at 10:50 AM.
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I would think you could probably run the D-TAR units straight into a powered speaker and get very good results. Duncan and Turner have come up with some very good stuff.
A fundamental issue here is that of trade-offs. With magnetic pickups on an archtop guitar, what's good for acoustic tone tends to be bad for electric tone and vice versa. A good acoustic archtop tends to turn into a howling banshee unless the amp is in another room.Last edited by Cunamara; 01-23-2016 at 10:34 PM.
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
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i disagree totally with your premise. Have a listen to Peter Bernstein who plays a carved top through a tube amp. Also, carved top guitars were designed for tube amps and 99% of the carved top guitars of today are copies in some way of the originals. Having said that, the mambo amp sounds great with a carved top.
Originally Posted by wengr
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Originally Posted by jzuckerOriginally Posted by jzuckerOriginally Posted by jzuckerOriginally Posted by jzucker
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Pearce.
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
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If it's cheap--and it should be--jump on it. Spend some time making sure all the pots work because in my experience perfect replacements are hard to find.
Oh wait. Sorry, I saw just now you said series I. My experience has been with series ii, which I believe is fairly different.
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