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  1. #1551

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    ...The bolt on neck for example is a major part of that famous tone. Sometimes things are already, yep, perfect.
    Threaded inserts for neck screws (or in the case of inserts, bolts) comes up a lot in the Fender-ish forums. I always tell people to be careful what they wish for when considering installing them. I tried installing them once and immediately realized that the whole feel of the guitar was off. Just didn't feel right to me and was weighted much differently.

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  3. #1552

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    always enjoyed this keith richards clip..about how gibson and fender got it right, right from the start

    truth

    btw, he starts out talking about his gibson es-350..



    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by lammie200
    Threaded inserts for neck screws (or in the case of inserts, bolts) comes up a lot in the Fender-ish forums. I always tell people to be careful what they wish for when considering installing them. I tried installing them once and immediately realized that the whole feel of the guitar was off. Just didn't feel right to me and was weighted much differently.
    No need for threaded inserts if the neckholes are drilled properly, good screws of the correct size are used and screwed in correctly. Too much metal in the neck sucks tone and liveliness (same for dual action truss rods in Telecaster necks).

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    the threaded inserts were created for travelling musicians...so that you could repeatedly remove neck from body and bring with you on the plane..it was never for sound improvement...it was for convenience & guitar safety sake!

    cheers
    Last edited by neatomic; 07-27-2020 at 05:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    the threaded inserts were created for travelling musicians...so that you could repeatedly remove neck from body and bring with you on the plane..it was never for sound improvement...it was for convenience & guitar safety sake!

    cheers
    True, but they‘re often used for regular guitars as an „improvement“.

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    Fuck yeah.

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    ^ kirchen was one of the first to use threaded inserts on his tele...for travel purposes only!!

    great picker..since commander cody days

    cheers

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    These are my workhorses:
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    I put them together between 2013 and 2016 from kits provided by MJT Aged Finishes. Stellar custom service from their side. A friend recommended them. The teles have pretty standard features like Fender original vintage pickups, but the necks are a little wider and sport 22 frets – the white has stainless steel frets. I built the black one just for fun of doing it and for the different color – it turned out to be my favorite. The cabronita was an experiment – I play the teles more. But it's nice to have a hum-free telecaster type.
    I also have a 52 Reissue that I love everything about except the color.
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    And recently my wife gave me an American Standard which seems to be the best funk machine of the herd.
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    I use the teles mainly for funk, soul and blues. With my organ trio I prefer an archtop. IF we ever get to gig again post corona ...
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    Also posted on another thread here:

    As previously mentioned, based on the excellent advice here, I bought a sort-of partscaster: white-blonde Classic 50's Telecaster with a Baja tele maple neck. I had Vintage Vibe CC pickups installed.

    I really like how the guitar looks. The vintage white pickguard replaced a black one. The neck is ideal for me. And the pickups turned out even better than I hoped. I know Charlie Christian played an archtop. And nobody claims that CC pickups are exactly like the originals. But the sound is very much in that direction. It is thicker and fuller than with regular Tele pickups. Less of a range. But I can use the neck pickup without rolling back the tone. And I can even use the bridge pickup by itself. There is no icepick sound there. On a regular Tele, I would hardly ever use the bridge pickup alone for any type of music I play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil59
    ...
    As previously mentioned, based on the excellent advice here, I bought a sort-of partscaster: white-blonde Classic 50's Telecaster with a Baja tele maple neck. I had Vintage Vibe CC pickups installed.
    I really like how the guitar looks.
    Me too. Nice looking instrument! Who made the body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    Me too. Nice looking instrument! Who made the body?
    I should have specified: Fender Classic 50's Telecaster body with a Fender Baja tele maple neck.

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    Carl Verheyen playing some country-fried Donna Lee at the end of this demo


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    Joined the CV club today. „NOS“ 50‘s classic. Unplayed, new, 6 years old. Now I know why the first run (china) is so desired.

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    Sounds fantastic and finished like an US Tele, but on the heavy side (3,9 kg).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    Joined the CV club today. „NOS“ 50‘s classic. Unplayed, new, 6 years old. Now I know why the first run (china) is so desired. Sounds fantastic and finished like an US Tele, but on the heavy side (3,9 kg).
    8.58 pounds - the "pine" that the Chinese use for these is a bit on the heavy side.

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    I had one and sold it - great guitar but just too heavy for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    8.58 pounds - the "pine" that the Chinese use for these is a bit on the heavy side.
    Yup, but pine isn‘t necessarily a light wood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
    I had one and sold it - great guitar but just too heavy for me.
    I‘ll have to see if I get used to. The guitar sounds really good and finish is spot on. Know what? Typical Broadcasters from the 1950‘s were also boat anchors:
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    I'm trying to remember and I think the original CVs were lighter. Maybe they had a better choice of wood.

    Since I play sitting down, it's not an issue for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
    I'm trying to remember and I think the original CVs were lighter. Maybe they had a better choice of wood.

    Since I play sitting down, it's not an issue for me.
    Original CVs? Mine is from 2014, chinese factory/first series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    Original CVs? Mine is from 2014, chinese factory/first series.
    Well, I remember members raving about them on TDPRI, and they are really critical of heavy Teles. Now I'm confused! Maybe the weights varied a far bit.

    Someone could also ask on TDPRI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
    Well, I remember members raving about them on TDPRI, and they are really critical of heavy Teles. Now I'm confused! Maybe the weights varied a far bit.

    Someone could also ask on TDPRI.
    Most of them are in the 8.5-9 lbs league. One reason for their sophisticated tone. But really heavy indeed.

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    I've got a Partscaster with an Allparts ash body and it weighs close to 8lbs - too heavy for me. Probably switch to PRS HB II at 6lbs.

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    the light wood for (tele) bodies is paulownia...long used in japan for string instruments (koto) and furniture..called kiri wood or empress wood...very light, nice grain, but soft...can dent if not careful..so you must be prepared to embrace wabi sabi! hah

    a tele body can weigh less than 3lbs

    cheers

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    [QUOTE=neatomic;1054525]the light wood for (tele) bodies is paulownia...long used in japan for string instruments (koto) and furniture..called kiri wood or empress wood...very light, nice grain, but soft...can dent if not careful..so you must be prepared to embrace wabi sabi! hah

    a tele body can weigh less than 3lbs

    cheers[/QUOTe
    I had one from Guitar Fetish and it was nice and light but real weird to sand and get a good finish - I ended up using some wood hardener on it and about 3 coats of primer before painting it red. I believe there are some east coast US lumber suppliers carrying it.

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    Telecaster Love Thread, No Archtops Allowed-6bc76fb8-58a9-4522-8637-7bc1d5c694e8-jpg
    My Thinline, maple top/swamp ash. Total weight: 2,8 kg (the B16 alone is about 300 grams).

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    Just a reminder of how jazzy a tele can sound (ha, as if I need to remind you :-)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Just a reminder of how jazzy a tele can sound (ha, as if I need to remind you :-)
    Nice tone, indeed. Gibson scale with flatwound strings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Just a reminder of how jazzy a tele can sound (ha, as if I need to remind you :-)


    Just lovely. Thanks, Jay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Neverisky
    Nice tone, indeed. Gibson scale with flatwound strings?
    Yes Sir, you guessed it right!

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    Little Jay,

    VERY nice sounding guitar. You can hear the Gibson scale on that guitar. Gibson-scale guitars just have a different tonality, particularly on the 5th and 6th strings, than do Fender-scale guitars. It sounds great on this parts-caster, in this case.

    Do you have to do anything other than bolt on a 24-3/4" scale neck? Is the body/bridge assembly identical to what you'd use if you were to bolt on a 25-1/5" scale neck? I've never considered this sort of parts-caster before, but your guitar sounds so marvelous that I am now considering it.

    Thanks.

  32. #1581

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    Brought my teles outside for a side by side comparison...verdict...theyre both awesome. Neck pickup on my old tele is fatter/darker, but the middle position on my new one is awesome. Both bridge pickups scream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

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    super cool mr.b!...a lot of the middle position tone comes from pup height..so you can dial it in...closer...despite differences in wood and fretboards....kudos on using the old vintage tele round pickup switch caps!!

    that's a great alpha-omega of teles pic ^

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    super cool mr.b!...a lot of the middle position tone comes from pup height..so you can dial it in...closer...despite differences in wood and fretboards....kudos on using the old vintage tele round pickup switch caps!!

    that's a great alpha-omega of teles pic ^

    cheers
    I suppose ideally the new one would be black!

    Yes, height makes a huge difference...both are set pretty low, my preference. The new kid is brighter overall, which makes for a nice fat punchy middle tone.

    Its cool to have two guitars again that feel similar on my lap, but inspire me to play differently...the neck widths certainly help that too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone
    Do you have to do anything other than bolt on a 24-3/4" scale neck? Is the body/bridge assembly identical to what you'd use if you were to bolt on a 25-1/5" scale neck? I've never considered this sort of parts-caster before, but your guitar sounds so marvelous that I am now considering it..
    The Warmoth conversion necks are drop-in replacements. Simple as replacing the neck with a 25 1/2 one. I have one on my Strat which helped with jazz tone a lot.

  36. #1585

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone
    Little Jay,

    VERY nice sounding guitar. You can hear the Gibson scale on that guitar. Gibson-scale guitars just have a different tonality, particularly on the 5th and 6th strings, than do Fender-scale guitars. It sounds great on this parts-caster, in this case.

    Do you have to do anything other than bolt on a 24-3/4" scale neck? Is the body/bridge assembly identical to what you'd use if you were to bolt on a 25-1/5" scale neck? I've never considered this sort of parts-caster before, but your guitar sounds so marvelous that I am now considering it.

    Thanks.
    Very pleased with this jazzy partscaster indeed. Yes I did have to make some adjustments in order to leave the bridge in its original position (since the body came with the pickup cavities already routed out). I had to find a way to let the neck sink a little deeper into the body. This picture of the guitar under construction should illustrate it:



    Besides cutting off a little of the neck’s heel to create a fretboard overhang (I gambled the trussrod would not extend that far into the heel, which luckily it didn’t), I also ‘straightened’ the rounded off corners of the neck pocket, which gained another 1/2 inch or so and saved me the work of rounding off the corners of the neck to fit into the neck pocket.

    Was not a great deal of work, just a Japanese hand saw and a small sharp chisel were needed. The trick is to measure again and again!

    I am guessing Warwick conversion necks work the same way: with a fretboard overhang to get the neck closer to the bridge.

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    Just came across a Victor Baker tele for sale on Reverb. Here's his demo:



    [pretty sweet, and yes, pretty expensive]

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcwhy
    [pretty sweet, and yes, pretty expensive]
    Yes. I doubt I'd get more than a fraction of the asking price enjoyment from the guitar. But, maybe I'm cheap.

    I don't get compound radius for a jazz guitar. As I understand it, the flatness up the neck is meant to support single line playing and, in particular, string bending. My own hand tells me that chordal playing is easier when the radius is between 7.25" and 10" and, since I don't bend, there's no issue with single note playing either. I guess the idea is that chord grips don't pass the 5th fret?

    My tastes have changed. I played a 16" radius Martin acoustic guitar for decades before I developed an interest in solo jazz style playing. The joy in what Leo Fender created is clear to me now.

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    Yep. I bet that few jazz guitarists play many grips in the "cowboy chord" area of the neck. Most of the chording action lies between the fourth and twelfth frets, IME.

    Look at the back of neck wear on old Epiphone and Gibson acoustic archtops. There is usually heavy thumb wear from about the 4th to the 9th frets.

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    My #1 tele is compound radius, 10" to 16."

    I can tell you , I've never noticed it.

    My #2 is a 7.5" radius. It should be easier to play chords involving barres i suppose, but in actuality the flatter radius on the other tele allows for lower action, so thats a wash...

    It's harder to bend on #2, but that actually makes me want to bend on it more. Something satisfying about having to dig in a bit.

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    My latest partscaster is up and running. I just posted it for sale soon enough since I already have a pile of teles, if anyone is interested. And one I just put together fro a friend with a pine body that weighed in at @3 1/2 pounds. Nice light guitar.

    Last edited by Hammertone; 08-27-2020 at 01:40 AM.

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    I've switched Teles, due to my love affair for F-Holes (yes, I'm a Tele Heretic! ). This is only my 2nd MIA Tele (the I didn't like the neck I had on my American Special Telecaster 7 years ago), and has a nice, and decently hefty neck, and great sounding pickups. It cost a pretty big chunk of change, but it's been worth it for me.


    Britt Daniel Telecaster Thinline


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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Neverisky
    I don't get compound radius for a jazz guitar. As I understand it, the flatness up the neck is meant to support single line playing and, in particular, string bending. My own hand tells me that chordal playing is easier when the radius is between 7.25" and 10" and, since I don't bend, there's no issue with single note playing either. I guess the idea is that chord grips don't pass the 5th fret?
    I have Warmoth "compound" radius* necks and I find that the flatter fretboard makes cleanly playing jazz chords much easier. By "jazz" chords I mean fingertip rather than barre chords. I find the flatter neck easier for barres too, but some people find it the other way round. And playing lines high up he neck on the flatter board is also noticeably easier. I think everyone's hand is different and what works for one might not work so well for another.


    *It's a misnomer IMHO. Other string instruments in the viol family have these, too, but it's a slice of a conical shape, which to me is a simpler way to explain it. Necessary because the strings spread apart from nut to bridge and the radius of the bridge has to be greater than the nut.
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