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This is actually a small bass amp but I think it might work really well for jazz guitar. It's reasonable small (H: 15.55in / 39.5cm, W: 12.52in / 31.8cm, D:12.99in / 32.9cm), light (24.2lbs / 11kgs), and stupid cheap (about $200 US). I have the Eden 1x10 cab that uses the same concentric speaker. I run it with a GK MB200 head and I think it sounds great. There's a dealer in town who has one in stock and I'm planning to try it in the next day or two. I'll report back with results.
Eden EC10 Bass Combo Amplifier
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08-18-2015 02:39 PM
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Looking forward to the review.
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Yes - looking forward to it. These are a great price in the UK: £150 to £170.
Jim - are you thinking of this as the end of a digital (modelling) signal chain or just plugging straight in ?
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For the archtop, it would be into a reverb pedal and then straight into the amp. Theses sort of amps are not usually as friendly with a plank but for an archtop they seem to work really well (at least they do for me). I suspect that it will all depend on what the "Enhance" control does. That seems to be their version of the "Contour" switch on the GK amps and at least with the GK (and to my ear), that gives the amp a much more guitar-friendly voice (although for player who like more of the thunk and less sparkle, that may not be the case).
Originally Posted by newsense
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Jim,
Get a chance yet to try it?
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No. Life's been very hectic lately but I'm hoping to get over there either this afternoon or tomorrow at the latest. They also have the DV Little Jazz and Jazz 12 to try.
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...a comparison with the Little Jazz would be most revealing ! Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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Do they have an Eden EC28, 50% heavier but 360% more watts (180 W) you might like it better ? Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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I think they do but then it's coming too close to the GK112 that I already have. My hope (eternak quest) is to find something lighter and smaller that actually works. If it doesn;t have enough power, I'd probably just stay with what i have. Originally Posted by medblues
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Understood, forgot that you have that. I have a Lunchbox Acoustic (12 lbs) and a Carvin BX250 (3 lbs) head plus a 20-lb 10" neo bass (Eminence Basslite) installed into a guitar cab. I remember that you had tried the Carvin but I am not sure about the Lunchbox Acoustic. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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I've tried a whole bunch of Lunchboxes and didn't like them. I can't even really tell you why, they just didn't appeal to me. The Carvin was much more specific. I've actually tried both the combo and the head with my old RE cab. In both instances I was never able to dial in what I thought was a really guitar-like response. I felt like I was playing through guitar through a bass amp. The GK's have never struck me that way at all. With the Contour switch engaged I get what I consider to be a really natural guitar sound. I'd like to see if the the Eden combo can get there as well. The form factor is definitely attractive if it can and my experience with their Whizzer speaker in my 1x10 Eden cab has been really positive. Originally Posted by medblues
I should probably add that after several years of running class D power, I growing a bit tired of it. When all the conditions are right, class D power sounds great but it's very sensitive to less than ideal power conditions and can make some really unpleasant noises when it's provoked.Last edited by Jim Soloway; 08-20-2015 at 01:57 PM.
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Oh that's greatJim as those are on my screen also!! The Jazz 12 is back ordered on MusiciansFriend until December of this year. I’m curious as to what you might think ofthe fan noise level. Also, I am curious as to the US price.
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Not good news on any front other than the state my savings account. I tried all three amps: the Eden EC10, the DV Little Jazz and the DV Jazz 12 and I didn't like any of them. I thought the best sounding of the three was the Eden EC10 but it was really noisy, way beyond the point of being useful for anything. The Little Jazz was also noisy when the volume got cranked at all and I found both of the DV amps to sound on the boxy side. At Canadian prices, the DV amps were no bargain and the Eden should never have left the design table with that much noise.
All just my opinion and I know that there are people here who love the DV amps. I'm not one of them but I also know that the sounds I go looking for are both very specific and are not for everyone so your mileage may vary.
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Actually it is good news to me - I was beginning to think I was the only one around here that didn't like the tone of the Little Jazz ! Now I know I am not alone. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
I have never regarded myself as exceptionally picky when it comes to tone, but the LJ just didn't do it for me. Maybe I would agree with Jim's description of "boxy", if I was a little clearer what it meant. - in my experience the box seemed to contain a lot of cotton wool !
Perhaps I have been spoiled by the lucky accident of combining a Super Champ X2 head with a Cannabis Rex speaker -15 Watts is more than enough for me, but clearly is insufficient for many.
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Jim, Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
I believe a lot of people will trust your judgement of what does and does not sound good based on Bare Handed alone.
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Jim, have you tried the quilters, what do you think....I seem to have the same tastes in sound....
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The Quilters are higher end solid state amps. Cheapest one new is $699. Great reviews but perhaps at another level with the Henriksen, Mambo, Acoustic Image.......... amps.
Originally Posted by artcore
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thanks....so many to choose from....hell, you can't tell very much from these UTube comparisons...if you can find a comparison....
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Originally Posted by artcore
I have. It was one of their very early amps so I'm prepared to cut them a bit of slack but it wasn't an amp for me. I was A/B'ing it with the modeling rig that I was playing through at the time and at least to my ears , it wasn't close. THe modeling rig was just a much better sounding setup (and it wasn't a really expensive setup either). THe Quilter also seemed to have a lot of noise. No doubt that was a reaction to the lousy power we had in that house but bad power is something that an amp really has to be able to deal with.
And for anyone following this quest over time, the amp I play through most of the time is the tiny Gallien Krueger MB200 head with the Contour switch engaged powering the 4 ohm version of an Eden EX110 cabinet. Along with a TC Electronics Arena reverb pedal, it provides a really nice amp for my archtop. The size of the cab is a little bigger than I like (especially the depth) but the weight is quite manageable. It's not nearly as successful with my plank guitar so maybe the answer is simply to get a second amp that works with the plank and call it a day.
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I remember you were using an Evans amp on one of your videos...sounded really good....my old polytone is a noisy amp, something I just can't stand.....
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Well I just pulled the trigger on a Fender Supper Champ X2. Why? An interesting blend of old school and new age.
- 10" Speaker at 15 watts. I know its a tube amp.
- 2 6V6 tubes I like the warmth of these tubes.
- 24 lbs.
- Smaller foot print than my Peavey transtube Envoy 10" speaker
- Digital emulation of "clean" Fender combos.Fender's Tweed, Blackface, twin..
- I really don't use the distortion channel on my Peavey and will not with this guy. But the foot print is smaller than the Envoy. Envoy is 25" in width.
- The transtube technology opened my eyes to how real the tone can be to a tube amp.
- Then the experimentation with the Fender Fuse software and if it can make a difference.
- Bought it though ZZsounds. They price matched to $349.
- ZZsounds breaks up your payment into 4 monthly payments, no interest.
- ZZsounds has a 45 day return period which is much longer than others.
Bottomline I wanted something similar smaller in size than the Peavey, and also had some choices for clean combo amps. I don't necessarily equate price with better performance. Its how a product meets my expectations from a functional point of view, which includes tone. I don't have a lot of $$$ to spend or care to. With the 4 payments I can afford to see for myself what the state of the technology is. If the digital does not pan out, I will not keep it for the tube aspect, unless its is a pleasant surprise. Some people have said they like their Fender Princeton over this amp. Well that's comparing apples and oranges. Finally, I adopted a policy when I bought my custom made Soloway guitar to focus on playing and I have. When it comes to amps and tone, I don't want to be come obsessive with it. I thought tube amp where the only way to go, but not anymore and spent a lot of money. Less is more, addition by subtraction at this point.
Amplifier Length: 9.2" (23.3 cm)
- Amplifier Width: 17.5" (44.5 cm)
- Amplifier Height: 15" (38.1 cm)
Two channels and 15 watts of power
- Two 6V6 tubes, and one 12AX7 preamp tube
- One 1/4" instrument input, one TS speaker out, one TRS line out, and one USB speaker-emulated out
- Voice control knob featuring 16 different amp types -- Tweed, Blackface, British, Metal, and more
- 15 different onboard effects
- Tap tempo control for precise delay time adjustment
- One 10" Fender Special Design speaker
- Controls include volume 1, gain, volume 2, master three-band EQ controls, an F/X adjust, and an F/X select control
- Lightweight at just 24 poundsLast edited by Wildcat; 08-22-2015 at 06:35 PM.
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interesting....I don't live in a location where I can try out a wide variety of amps.....I have Jims guitar also, like you I focus on playing, since I just play at home, half the time I don't even plug in...anyway...A small clean amp that can produce the mids,highs and lows...cleanly...would do...If I have to, I'll pay up.....I can add a pedal or two later....I had the old fender twin years ago when I was kid....I loved that amp...it was a monster to move around.....and I really like the dark tone of the old potytone also...but with an archtop.......so many to choose from these days
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