Gibson ES-165 - Night and Day (Joe Pass)

**QAman** · 08-02-2015, 07:56 AM

Very Nice playing Joe - thanks for sharing with everyone. I know what you mean about remembering it. I once spent considerable time learning Tuck Andress " Over the rainbow / if I only had a brain" and had to play it constantly to remember all the parts. Stay well.

**Max405** · 08-02-2015, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Steve Longobardi

Very Nice playing Joe - thanks for sharing with everyone. I know what you mean about remembering it. I once spent considerable time learning Tuck Andress " Over the rainbow / if I only had a brain" and had to play it constantly to remember all the parts. Stay well.

I hear you bro. Gotta eat more carrots..
Our very own Vinny studies with Tuck. He says he is amazing.
Playing these tunes consistently is a part of my practicing. If you play them regularly they stick. The trick is not to forget to add them to your practice list. I was happy to see on the recently posted Johnny Smith interview that even he said he couldn't play Golden Earrings, and that was his arrangement!!! So, we are humans, just like the masters.
thanks again.
Joe D

**jzucker** · 08-02-2015, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco

Hey Jack, thanks buddy. Weird question, did you hear thunk in that?
just wondering. There's really no processing in the sound other than flat eq, and slight bit of reverb. No amp simulation. Used a Zoom G3 as my DI.
Jd

A little but not a huge amount.

**Max405** · 08-02-2015, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by jzucker

A little but not a huge amount.

Damn.. I guess some people got thunk and others are just hunks...

**jzucker** · 08-02-2015, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco

Damn.. I guess some people got thunk and others are just hunks...

i notice some 165s have more thunk than others. My son's from '89 had about the same amount as my 175. You using thomastiks?

**Max405** · 08-02-2015, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

i notice some 165s have more thunk than others. My son's from '89 had about the same amount as my 175. You using thomastiks?

I have TI 12's on every guitar except that one. I had a set of 12 chromes on the 165. They still have life in them so I didn't change them out.

**mr. beaumont** · 08-02-2015, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco

Damn.. I guess some people got thunk and others are just hunks...

Sounds great to me! Thunk ain't the only good jazz tone.

I'm wowed by the patience it took to get this down. My eyes would have glazed after a page.

**Max405** · 08-02-2015, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

Sounds great to me! Thunk ain't the only good jazz tone.

I'm wowed by the patience it took to get this down. My eyes would have glazed after a page.

Mr B, thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
joe d

**jzucker** · 08-02-2015, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco

I have TI 12's on every guitar except that one. I had a set of 12 chromes on the 165. They still have life in them so I didn't change them out.

one of the keys to thunk (IMO) is dead strings and the thomastiks sound closer to dead out of the wrapper.

**vinnyv1k** · 08-02-2015, 08:17 PM

I can guarantee this, Joe Pass is smiling down from heaven knowing JD has taken the torch and is running down the track with it. You need to hook up with John Pisano then shave the top of your head and grow a mustache. :-)

**Max405** · 08-02-2015, 09:58 PM

Awww.. Thank you brother. That means a lot to me my man..
thanks vin.

Originally Posted by vinnyv1k

I can guarantee this, Joe Pass is smiling down from heaven knowing JD has taken the torch and is running down the track with it. You need to hook up with John Pisano then shave the top of your head and grow a mustache. :-)

**Max405** · 08-02-2015, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

one of the keys to thunk (IMO) is dead strings and the thomastiks sound closer to dead out of the wrapper.

Jack, I'm glad you said that. I've been thinking that for years. Still love em though..

**Archie** · 08-03-2015, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Joe DeNisco

Damn.. I guess some people got thunk and others are just hunks...

Sorry I'm late to the party, great playing again mate and that does sound very very good.

Two thumbs

P.S Now we know why Thunk isn't the be all and end all of Jazz guttering. When you sound that good without it, then 'thunk' can just 'thunk' off

**Max405** · 08-03-2015, 11:32 AM

Archie,
That was a really nice thing for you to say buddy.
Every now and then when I am recording, I begin to relax and the groove comes to me. Its hard to play that kind of stuff (and over 4 minutes of it to boot) completely error free. You tighten up a little in the beginning and you are always a fraction of a second behind. But sometimes you begin to relax and you literally sit back and watch the guitar do the work. I think that's what the masters do, which is why it seems so effortless for them. That kind of thing happens to me once every 6-1/2 years so I'm glad I had the record button pushed...

Thank you Archie, And thank you EVERYBODY for all the nice words. I could never carry Joe Pass's gymbag (an old Boxing expression) and I know it. But in my life, I am honored to be able to replicate music that was recorded by guitarists who I consider the greatest of all time. And its a priviledge to be able to share it with a bunch of friends that I have all over the world. Thank you everybody for making this a really cool experience for me.

Joe D.

**wherearemykeys** · 08-03-2015, 12:00 PM

Thanks for posting and sharing your set up - very inspiring!!

**Max405** · 08-03-2015, 06:03 PM

You are very welcome. Thanks for looking

**Wes Green** · 08-03-2015, 09:41 PM

Well done Joe. You make it move along very nice. It is inspiring to hear you play.

**Max405** · 08-03-2015, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Wes Green

Well done Joe. You make it move along very nice. It is inspiring to hear you play.

Wes Green, Thanks your nice words. I appreciate it very much.
JD

**PaulHintz** · 08-03-2015, 10:38 PM

A great performance! Great tone, great feel. Thanks for posting this. It beautifully captures the this-note-right-now-played-this-particular-way-right-now spirit that is the hallmark of Pass's finest recordings. I think your performance is (like) an interpretation of a great classical work, which in a jazz context is what I'd say Pass's recorded performance is (along with several others on Virtuoso). I've worked on a transcription of this off and on for a long, long time. But not recently. You've inspired me to re-commit. And I'm grateful.
FWIW, the transcription I have is in a book by Ivor Mairants (probably out of print). Various jazz masterpiece performances. All notation. No evil tab.
-P.

**Max405** · 08-04-2015, 12:21 AM

Wow. Thanks a lot Paul. It's nice that folks appreciate the commitment it takes to learn this type of stuff. Like some of the Johnny smith stuff I do, even the simplest passages in the song require a note for note brain mapping sequence that is pretty taxing. I am more than satisfied with the outcome. As much as I want to take on another big challenge, I think I am going to take it easy with a Wes Montgomery tune so I can showcase another wonderful guitar that have, my L5 wesmo, courtesy of our beloved Patrick2.
Thanks again Paul.

**Eric Rowland** · 08-04-2015, 01:53 PM

Joe plays Joe! You are not afraid of hard work sir. I love the sound you get and it's a pleasure to see and hear you play. What is it with gentlemen of Italian descent and jazz guitar? ...Martino, Pass, Diorio, DeNisco etc.... kinda like Ferrari and motor racing. Keep up the good work!

**Patrick2** · 08-04-2015, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Eric Rowland

Joe plays Joe! You are not afraid of hard work sir. I love the sound you get and it's a pleasure to see and hear you play. What is it with gentlemen of Italian descent and jazz guitar? ...Martino, Pass, Diorio, DeNisco etc.... kinda like Ferrari and motor racing. Keep up the good work!

The list of Italian jazz guitarists is far, far longer than what you've posted . . as I'm sure you know;

Jimmy Bruno, Frank Vignola, Tony Mottola, Vinnie Corrao, John Pisano, Joe Cinderella, Bucky & John Pizzeralli, George Bensonarelli, Barney Kesselerini, Ben Monderino, Jim Halletto, Bill Friselli, Sylvain Lucchese, Wes Montgomerini . . . did I miss anyone?

**gtrplrfla** · 08-04-2015, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick2

The list of Italian jazz guitarists is far, far longer than what you've posted . . as I'm sure you know;

Jimmy Bruno, Frank Vignola, Tony Mottola, Vinnie Corrao, John Pisano, Joe Cinderella, Bucky & John Pizzeralli, George Bensonarelli, Barney Kesselerini, Ben Monderino, Jim Halletto, Bill Friselli, Sylvain Lucchese, Wes Montgomerini . . . did I miss anyone?

Please don't overlook Hank Garlanderi , Herb Ellissimo , Cal Collinsero and Jimmy and Doug Raneieri !

**Patrick2** · 08-04-2015, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by gtrplrfla

Please don't overlook Hank Garlanderi , Herb Ellissimo , Cal Collinsero and Jimmy and Doug Raneieri !

Yeah . . . I inadvertently forgot those guys. But, I specifically left James "Blood" Ulmerino off the list, because I don't really see him as a true jazzer.

**grahambop** · 08-04-2015, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick2

The list of Italian jazz guitarists is far, far longer than what you've posted . . as I'm sure you know;

Jimmy Bruno, Frank Vignola, Tony Mottola, Vinnie Corrao, John Pisano, Joe Cinderella, Bucky & John Pizzeralli, George Bensonarelli, Barney Kesselerini, Ben Monderino, Jim Halletto, Bill Friselli, Sylvain Lucchese, Wes Montgomerini . . . did I miss anyone?

Charlie Cristiano?