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bought it the old fashioned way by trying it out at a guitar store. It's a great guitar.
It's a great sounding guitar that bridges the gap between semi and hollow body. I'll post clips later but it's really sweet. Way more jazzy sounding than a 335
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04-16-2015 02:40 PM
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Ooh, cool...I find these very interesting. Dan Wilson plays one, no?
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yes, dan plays one. one thing that bothers me is that it's neck heavy.
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congrats!
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I always thought they were pretty cool. I could very well be mistaken, but I thought it was the same git as the Pat Martino (which you gave only one star) only less fancy. Is it structurally different?
Originally Posted by jzucker
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446 is carved spurce top, tail piece attached to bottom.
Martino has a carved maple top, Les Paul style stop tail.
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Jusst watched a few You tube videos. I wasn't familiar with this model. It looks and sounds really really nice! Congrats.
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i think they're similar but keep in mind, the reviewer for that wasn't me, it was a guest review by Joe Jewell. I'll probably give this one a 3.5 or 4 star. It loses a star for being neck heavy. Ultimately, i'll be hard-pressed to keep it because I hate fighting with a guitar neck to stay in one position. It also ain't no 175. It sounds good until I pick up my 175 but I guess that's to be expected. Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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it's a little better with a suede strap of course...
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I own a blonde 446. I replaced the Nashville ABR1 bridge with a Callaham steel bridge, and it opened up the tone! And it was pretty good before this. I love this guitar. Congrats !
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I always thought Gibson cheaped out when it came to neck on these guitars. By that I mean, skinny neck, dots and no binding. I guess I also thought they should have used ebony for the fingerboard. Just my opinion, but the Pat Martino was way better!
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not according to joe jewell. He gave it 1 star. The neck on mine is not skinny at all. Similar to my '89 175. Originally Posted by jads57
For me the issue is balance. It's uncomfortably neck heavy although not as bad as the prs hollowbody
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I owned a Pat Martino and have played a friends 446. Very Different guitars. The 446 is hollow, the Martino is a Semi. The Martino is a thick, carved maple top with an ebony board and stop tail, the 446 was Spruce, rosewood board (IIRC) and a trapeze.
I really, really wanted to love the Martino as I am a big fan of Pat's playing (I even got him to sign the pickguard on that guitar). The Martino played easily, was pretty to look at, and almost sounded great. Almost. There was a lack of clarity that I could not solve, no matter what strings or amp I tried.
The 446 was like the Howard Roberts Fusion. It was a very good jazz guitar, albeit a bit odd looking, but at the end of the day, not as good as a 175, or to my mind a 335 for jazz.
I guess that is why I have two 175's and a 335 and the Martino and Howard Roberts Fusion went away. And why I never wanted a 446.
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i'm thinking the 446 would be a good fusion guitar and something to play at louder volumes without worrying about feedback. And it gets a much better jazz sound than a 335 or 137
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Curious as to what these specs are for the 446: lower bout width, body depth and scale length. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Pat's album Remember was recorded using one of these and I think the sound is well represented there- dark, a bit flubby. It sounds like the caps and pots are wired to roll off excessive amounts of the high end.
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Overall a good album, but the guitar tone is pretty awful. Not really sure if it was Pat's idea of what it should have been either, the guitar seems mixed really low too.
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Jack I agree the about the distinction of the materials used and the semi vs. hollow. But Joe Jewel obviosly missed on his review. The Pat Martino Custom was one of the most versatile guitars I ever owned. And like you I've owned just about everything semi hollow Gibson,PRS,Hamer,Carvin,etc has ever made. The one thing I changed were the original p/ups to Wolfetone rewinds (PAF type)which greatly improved the amplified tone. The only reason I don't own the Pat Martino was I had an unfortunate $$ situation awhile back. Surprised by your comment on the neck. Of the 3 I tried all had a very narrow nut width and smallish neck carve from the 1st-4th fret area. Hope it works out for you!
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I've had a 446 for some time now
One of my favorite guitars .... mine doesn't get the attention it deserves, but I will probably keep it around for the long term
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What's a guitar store? Originally Posted by jzucker
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Did you set it up for 11s, Jack? How's the truss rod?
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Perhaps the Gibson Pat Martino would have been a better guitar for me with a different pickup? I tried different strings and different amps, but clarity of sound always eluded me with that guitar.
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Thanks. Here's an older cat. Scroll down to pg 9. Originally Posted by r_cc_c
http://www.gibson.com/files/download...atalog2001.pdf
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Did anybody already mentioned the headstock design of the Pat Martino model ?
Don't want to compare to Heritage design, but ....
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nice cheap shot. Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
Fortunately, it was already setup with .012 chromes. However, it's too neck heavy for me to keep. Combination of the light body and the high neck/body joint is a dealbreaker for me. I think the 137 actually sounds better.
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