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Just what I've been looking for.
Ships to Thomman in Europe 5th December
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11-15-2014 04:08 PM
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Got mine yesterday...favorably impressed so far
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i'm not sure i have the wherewithal to work the thing and the guitar at the same time (though i should), but as i drummer, i should say i'm reasonably impressed with the amount of thought that went into it and the capabilities it appears to have. though i guess you have to familiarize yourself with the stock beats and work with those (or download more), as opposed to making your own. in a way, a drummer that can only play what he wants and not what you need him to is pretty true to life.
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Originally Posted by feet
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Hi Peter,
could you tell me if you like the Jazz-Paterns? I watched a few Reviews and was really impressed from the whole Thing.
Greetings
Fabian
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Looks good. Jazz? Latin?
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Not convinced. The one or two jazz tracks sound generic and canned as indeed they are. The time feel sounds kinda off. Maybe for country, rock or metal it would work. Even the blues tracks are not convincing. The jury is still out. Wonder how large the jazz library would be eventually.
I would settle for a good old tick-tock on the 2 and 4 for practice and study. Performance-wise, is any self-respecting jazz guitarist or keyboardist or horn player going to gig with this? I kinda like my drummer friends. As a commenter noted, can't pull it off without a bass-line.
I would like to trial one but at $349 a pop I can't afford the risk.Last edited by Jabberwocky; 11-20-2014 at 04:10 PM.
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Does everyone remember the venerable Alesis SR-16? I still have one somewhere. You could hook up a pedal to trigger fills, switch sections, etc. Seems to be very similar functionality to this pedal, back in the early 90s.
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They don't seem to "swing." Almost like a very young student "trying" to play jazz. I once attended a clinic given by Ed Shaughnessy. Boy did I learn a lot that day about swinging in general, and how and what makes a good jazz drummer sound, well, good. And these rhythms exhibit most of what he demonstrated and stressed NOT to do. Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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You hit it on the head, Woody. The jazz tracks I heard didn't swing. A metronome on 2 and 4 has a better chance of swinging.
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I still have mine but was never able to fully take advantage of that feature. I never had the time. Originally Posted by dingusmingus
Does everyone remember the venerable Alesis SR-16? I still have one somewhere. You could hook up a pedal to trigger fills, switch sections, etc. Seems to be very similar functionality to this pedal, back in the early 90s.
I may go back and look at learning this but I am a slow learner on many of these devices.
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I have not seen the Jazz settings demo. Does this device allow you to control the beat and make it swing the way the Alesis can?
Thanks for making us aware of this device.
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not exactly, but also, yes, totally. Originally Posted by jazzbow
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i guess you guys are seeing what i tried to convey. i'm sort of an idiosyncratic guitar player, which means i play the drums much the same way. which means pre-programmed, stock 1234 stuff doesn't help me much. and if you can't play with them, it will never help much. the trouble with that is that, (in my super limited experience) programming things to swing and flow behind the beat is aggravating to the point of impossibility. even if you know all the math and notation behind it, you just can't program feel. and would require way more than what a stomp box could provide. the thing can't listen to you and play something based off of that. you have to do that. this pedal is the band leader, essentially.
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I have one and like it. Is it perfect...not by a long shot. Also have an Alesis SR16 with a foot pedal. This is much more convenient.
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i don't expect this device to be better than a good drummer-of course it can t compete. It s still a drum machine but maybe the most comfortable one for guitar players.
Still have not heard one of the jazz patterns so i think it s hard to make a decision. The funk swing stuff was ok for practicing.
Maybe i will get one to try out- in germany you can try it for 30 days
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Yes, swing can't be programmed, but just to point out; do we need drum machine jazz patterns to play jazz?
Given enough time, a hypothetical chimpanzee programming a drum machine at random would, as part of its output, almost surely produce an Art Blakey drum pattern!
Or our hypothetical chimpanzee will lose its temper, destroy the machine and ask his mate Donkey Kong to sit in for the session!
Er.....
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O god yes! I wish I still had mine! Originally Posted by dingusmingus
Does everyone remember the venerable Alesis SR-16? I still have one somewhere. You could hook up a pedal to trigger fills, switch sections, etc. Seems to be very similar functionality to this pedal, back in the early 90s.
I wrote a lot of songs with it. Had two footswitches (stop/start & fill/switch patterns) and I had a lot of fun playing it and my old Strat.
I'm seriously thinking of getting another one. Or something similar. There are drum programs that allow one to plot out songs measure by measure but I want something I can use 'on the fly.' (Not looking to perform live with it but to work on songs and try things with different grooves.)
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