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Look right at the bottom: Jazz Guitar Bargains .
Heritage Sweet 16, used. Euro 2500. Comes with a floating Kent Armstrong 12-pole PAF humbucker. The Heritage Sweet 16 has a solid carved spruce top and solid carved maple back and rims. It is commonly found with a 3" rim depth although some have ordered it with a shallower depth of 2.5".
Seems to tick all your boxes.Last edited by Jabberwocky; 08-30-2013 at 02:42 PM.
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08-30-2013 02:36 PM
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You could also consider the Marzio by Frans Elferink: Range .
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Jazz 175, I obviously know that website very well. What part of Italy are you from.
Dear all,
I have received many info. I am more confused then before. But happy to know that there are many possibilities. None of you suggested a Sadowsky that was what I have started from. Probably it needs time. I really do not want to buy a piece of wood with strings and a brand. Jabberwocky the Frans Elferink is a very nice guitar. It would cost a fortune because it is custom made...
I would prefer a thinline or a small jazz box and not an archtop and that one would suit ... do you have an idea about pricese fo that Elferink?
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I think a Sadowsky would work for you, but you are extremely unlikely to find one within your stated budget.
How about a Comins GCS-1? A great guitar, less than half of a Sadowsky SH price.
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Very interesting guitar... but there is no trace here in Europe! Shipping and custom fees would make it more than a Sadowsky..
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For Comins GCS-1 have a look at
Ivor-Mairants
The music shop is in London, they can send the guitar to you.
I bought a Collings from them last year.
I live in Abruzzo, on the East Coast.
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The Comins GCS-1 is a very well-made and playing guitar. Great suggestion. But it is Made in Korea. Since MIC bothers the OP, I think I should highlight that factoid.
The Elferink Marzio costs Euro 3600 including sales tax. Quite a bit out of your budget of Euro 2000.
Did you check out the used Heritage Sweet 16 for sale at Stephen Sonntag that I linked to? At Euro 2500, it sounds like a good proposition considering that if you imported any guitar from the USA, there would be customs, insurance and freight (CIF) to pay. A Heritage Sweet 16 sells for between $2300 and $2600 used in the USA anyway so Euro 2500 sounds like a good price.
If you're gunning for a more fusion-y type sound, you could try adding removable wooden soundposts under the top and changing the saddle to a metal TOM. You could also stuff the f-holes with Polyfil to reduce feedback. It already comes with a Kent Armstrong 12-pole floating PAF so you are set where the electrified tone is concerned.
You can't find an American carved spruce/maple archtop for under $3000 any longer.
Jazz Guitar Bargains
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Oops. Jabberwocky's right. The Comins GCS-1 is MIK to my understanding as well, so if built-in-Asia is an issue, well there it is.
(Although Bill Comins is an American, I believe. Does that help the calculus?)
And I think even the Sadowsky Semi-Hollows are built to some extent in Tokyo, then shipped to Sadowsky's NYC shop for fine-touches and fretwork or something. Just for full disclosure.
So if anything Asian is out, then that Sweet 16 looks even sweeter.Last edited by Flat; 08-31-2013 at 03:54 PM.
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I have nothing against Asia. Japan has a different tradition in guitar craft . But you all know that. Hopefully China will help in lowering prices but I am a little skeptical about the quality. I have worked in China and I have looked for a Chinese guitar while there, and I let you imagine what I have found. I think the Sweet 16 is very sweet.
Now my decision is on:
Sadowsky (ahahahaha!)
Comins GSC-1
Heritage Sweet 16
It depends on what I can try (don't want to buy from a website ad.)
To Jazz 175: I am from Rome!
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To Jabberwocky
thanks for making me know Mazio Scholten. Very interesting modern jazz. Just bought his last album. Beautiful guitar. I wish I could afford it!
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The Sadowsky is beyond your price range -- take it off your list (unless you're just making a "dream" list)!
Originally Posted by ACapasso
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Yes, I don't understand why you keep talking about Sadowsky if your price range is around 2000 euros.
I don't think you can find a Sadowsky for that price.
I repeat my suggestion: why not trying an Ibanez Scofield model
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I know, I know but a Gibson ES 137 Custom, with Varitone will fit your bill perfectly.
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Agreed. For comparison, I happen to have both a '65 ES-335 and a Comins GCS-1ES (actually the guitar featured in the SP video), and I can tell you that they do not sound (or feel) the same—if you're worried about getting 'just' another 335. Both are great guitars, IMO, but I really do favor the Comins. Superb quality in every regard. My immediate impression within the first minute of playing it was "This is a super guitar..." Both the Sadowsky and Comins are built to exacting specs in Japan and Korea respectively but each one is then set up in the luthier's shop in the USA. Very, very high quality. Originally Posted by Flat
Good luck in your search...
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SADOWSKY GUITARS SEMI-HOLLOW - #2665677 | su MercatinoMusicale.com in Chitarre elettriche Hollow / Semi
Chiedi in prestito un pò di soldi, dai...
http://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/...id2854970.html
La Sadowsky dei poveri...
Seriamente, questa Carvin è una chitarra eccelente. Assolutamenta da provare!
Per sentirla, cerca "Drew Davidsen" su You Tube.Last edited by LtKojak; 08-31-2013 at 02:54 PM.
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I like the Cummins. I am thinking about it seriously. Does it have big basses ... In that video it sounds a little too trebly.... Yes Kojak, thank you. I had forgotten Carvins... You are perfectly right.
Grazie!
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I've found you another one, the guy is from Varese and an excellent player to boot:
Sonicguitars - Liuteria Italiana, chitarre elettriche, semiacustiche ed acustiche, bassi elettrici
I think it's within your budget... contact'em.
HTH,
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I have an awful experience with italian luthiers. In the eighties I bought a Douglas (Franco Di Filippo, Rome) which was a very expensive guitar at the time. Then the luthier closed down and I could sell the guitar for 1/5 the price I payed for it. The only brand that survives since then is Manne. Never played one of their guitars.
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I would say that since you dig the traditional tones as well as more modern fusion tones. You should just rock a tele with some flatwounds.. Or get 2 tele's, and keep one with regular strings to get that more Holdsworth/Khan sound and then keep another one with flat's to get more of that metheny sound. Life would be good. But definitely search out the american special fender's.
I compose a lot so i can't limit myself to just one sound. Gotta have multiple at my disposal. There's an American Special Jazzmaster coming out soon. It's going to be pure quality at a very reasonable price. (800 American) So go for that shit bro. I'm definitely going to do that.
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Well...a lot of hi-quality, author-made instruments go up in value when the maker is no more. Just NOT in Italy... so, it's not the Luthier's fault... it's the italian market's fault. Originally Posted by ACapasso
Also because there are not many luthiers worth a damn in spaghettiland, TBH. Just getting a fretjob decently made is difficult... believe me, owning eleven instruments, I know! I've tried many from my neck of woods, not a single one was even half decent, though I'm not a particulary demanding customer.
HTH,
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IMO, it's simply a great-sounding, well-balanced guitar. FWIW, I've read lots of discussion regarding the Comins but I don't recall anybody mentioning any tonal deficiency. That said... I can see what you mean by the video, but I think that's more about that player with how he set up the amp's gain and EQ to respond to his particular touch along with his personal approach to the song. Originally Posted by ACapasso
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