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I love my Twin also for small venues at low volume. Actually, I just keep the volume up to around 5 all the time and adjust the volume and tone on my guitar. It sounds just as good on low volumes and is not too loud. It might be more than you need in such a case, but I think the 2x12" and the cabinet with the open back give such a unique projection and beautiful sound that I take my Twin whenever and wherever I can (usually that means wherever I can park my car very close..
Originally Posted by AlsoRan
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12-11-2012 03:07 AM
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By the way, does anybody know if the Reissue '65 Twin's cabinet is made of solid pine or laminated wood or even MDF/particle board?
EDIT: just found out that the cabinet is made of Baltic Birch Plywood. Although that is a good choice quality-wise, I think it will surely sound different than solid pine. I think in general the influence of cabinet material in the sound reproduction is underestimated. I don't want to say pine sounds better than birch-ply, it just sounds different and it depends on your own preferences what you like. In my experience birch-ply sounds stronger, firmer and more in your face with more bass - but can make treble seem harsher. The difference is more noticeable when volumes get higher. Although pretty subtle, it might just make the difference for somebody. (oh and pine also weighs noticeable less then birch-ply.... good thing for a Twin)Last edited by Little Jay; 12-11-2012 at 06:15 AM.
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Hmmmm... Originally Posted by Little Jay
Yet another factor to consider when fine tuning one's sound. Cabinet material. I should have known this considering I have read even the cloth that covers the speaker can affect the amp's sound.
Thanks.
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They say pine is part of the Tweed sound.
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Another big difference is closed vs open... that's one big advantage of using a head with tube amps. I like closed backs much more than open backs for jazz but it's impossible in a tube combo.
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I dare to say it's part of the Fender sound. All Black- and Silverface amps have their cabinets made of pine (only very late in the 70ies some models had particle board or mdf-cabinets). The Black- and Silverface baffles were always made of particle board (or is it called fibre board in English?). Changing a particle board baffle to a birch ply baffle also changes the sound! (More upfront, a little tighter or some would say stiffer). Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
I've experienced it myself when changing out baffles and making new ones. For very punchy clean sounds a birch ply baffle helps, but it can be too much, depending on amp type, tubes used, speakers.... so many variables to consider...
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not at all brother! Originally Posted by AlsoRan
When the young man brought his amp into the house to sample the Guild my thought was that's a beast. I sold a Heritage KB a year earlier for the same reason. It was more amp than I needed.
But when I stepped into the next room to give him some space, he barely turned up the volume, I assumed being courteous....but I could hear nuances and a clear tone projection I don't hear from my amp...later I stepped into the room to get a closer listen and geez, the amp had this amazin' warmth, richness, and clarity. Needless to say I was impressed...or perhaps the amp was simply such a different beast than I'm accustomed to that difference seemed "better?"
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Sonically, I prefer my Princeton to my Twin. But in terms of power, few things beat a Twin, though I did once play a Marshall stack that had the most beautiful clean channel I've ever heard. Yeah, I know, Marshall. One of those new 4 channel monsters with a 4-12 cab.
To help lower the weight on my Twin I loaded it with a pair of neo speakers -- a Texas Heat and Tonker Lite. Now it's movable and light for a Twin though still heavier than I want to move around all the time. I just use it when I need a lot of power and there is no PA available.
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I'm 65 and the way I look at it is that I'm now retired from a 30+ year career in construction. I spent all day 5 to 6 days a week for all of those years lifting things far heavier than my Twin to do something I would rather not have been doing. If I can't lift 64 lbs. to do something I truly love to do then it's time to cash it in and take up the banjo. Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
brother, U gotta get to the gym...64 lbs. is not heavy! Okay, I'm a life long lifter whose pushing 60 and still maintains a home gym equipped with Olympic plates, a squat rack, and power bench. that's ez curling weight...an Olympic bar is 45 lbs...I've dumbbells that weigh more than that amp!Last edited by BEACHBUM; 12-12-2012 at 09:43 PM.
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I have a Vintage Sound Twin that started as an early 70's silver face Dual Showman that was blackfaced into a new cab. I have 12-65s in it and it is great at everything. Speakers make all the difference with twins, but they can get bass heavy in a heart beat. Hate to sound cliche, but they are so 3 dimensional ! Take pedals well, although not at the same settings as a Deluxe or an EL34 based amp. And yes, you should all be going to the gym, for more reasons than lifting heavy hardware, but that's one of the many benefits of staying strong
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The right speakers can make or brake your Twin indeed. I have a pair of Pyle speakers with the 'Swiss cheese oval hole basket' (Blue labels) in mine now and I like those a lot! (In spite of the fact that those seem to be the least favorite speakers for a Twin.) Originally Posted by yebdox
I have a Vintage Sound Twin that started as an early 70's silver face Dual Showman that was blackfaced into a new cab. I have 12-65s in it and it is great at everything. Speakers make all the difference with twins, but they can get bass heavy in a heart beat. Hate to sound cliche, but they are so 3 dimensional ! Take pedals well, although not at the same settings as a Deluxe or an EL34 based amp. And yes, you should all be going to the gym, for more reasons than lifting heavy hardware, but that's one of the many benefits of staying strong
I am a small guy, but lifting my Twin has never been a problem. I do have a small folding dolly for it, which helps a lot when the distance from my car to the stage becomes too long
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Now if only there was a device to make it easier to move the amp in and out of the trunk.
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That's what finally got to decide to get rid of my Mesa Boogie, it was in a Anvil case and getting it up to put in trunk was a killer. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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so is this generation that much weaker than their counterparts from the 60's?
update: I bought a twin reverb...couldn't be happier...big difference over my former JazzAmp.
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Fender Twin Reverb?
Bah, Humbug!
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What's an Ampeg like that sell for in the US... $2k, if one could find one? Originally Posted by Hammertone
That's kind of a false suggestion compared to a lowly used $700 TR don't you think?
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$800 - $1,200 range all day long. Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
Like the Twin Reverb, it's a gorgeous jazz amp.
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I just purchased a 1970 Fender Twin Reverb and a previous owner made a different non-standard speaker baffle board. I would like to replace that baffle board with one that is an original 1970 baffle board or an exact replica. Does anyone out there have access to a drawing and specifications for the speaker mounting baffle board for a 1970 Fender Twin Reverb?
I'll really appreciate any help that I can get.
Thanks!
Darrell
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I have seen the drawings, but I cannot immediately recall where. I do know that if you call Mojo Music Supply, they can sell you a baffle board that will drop right in. They are great at doing that sort of thing.
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I converted my Twin to 115 over 20 years ago. To me it gives more of a full range sound. This is in part because with 2 speakers there is some phase cancellation. I'm currently running a Eminence neo which doesn't color the sound, very nice and blow up proof with lighter weight.
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Cavalier,
Great minds...and all that. My Lab Series L-5 amp has a new baffle board and a 15" JBL D-130 speaker. The original setup was two CTS (I believe) 12" 16-ohm speakers in parallel for an 8-ohm load. The D-130 8-ohm speaker just fits right in there as a great replacement and doesn't give you anything but great, pure sound.
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Hah! I do know the sound, the 15 I used before was my JBL D130
It has a warm slightly compressed sound. What made me switch was it isn't rated for the full power and with sky rocketing prices I was worried about blowing it out. The other thing was the pedal steel Eminence is 4 ohms so I can have all 135 watts. My amps have to work with violin too and a steel set up works well, not surprising when you thing about it. The D 130 is for a home and recording cab now. Great for that fat horn Sound
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A Twin is my absolute favorite amp to play through, but when purchasing a new amp recently I went with the Deluxe Reverb instead to save my self from toting a Twin in and out of my car to rehearsals/gigs. However, I do love when I show up somewhere and they have backlined the gig with a Twin....
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I should note that D 130s are conservatively rated for power and in 20 years it never complained. I like those Labs, I almost picked one up on my last trip to CA.
Hammertone's VT22 would be a good 115, with those Altecs it has to weigh 120 pounds. I'm going to do that with my V4 when I rebuild it. Long story there but my town's local amp guru is way out of his league with a Ampeg. When they can't figure out the lower plate around the tubes is removable to get at the other side of the board you know you are in trouble.
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Funny thing about the D-130. Leo Fender was dismayed that a young guy named Dick Dale was destroying his Fender Twin Amps--88-watts into two 12" Jensen P12n speakers. The amps were just blowing up.
Leo's solution was to design a new amp: The Showman. 88-watts with new transformers from Shumacher, and a 15" speaker from Leo's buddy James Lansing, the JBL-D-130, in a closed-back cabinet. The speaker, whatever its rating, took the full power of the Showman Amp (same power as the Twin) just fine. Dale has used it for the last 55+ years.
I don't think you'd have trouble with your JBL in the Twin Reverb. There is the matter of the 4-ohm output transformer/8-ohm speaker voice coil though.
My Lab Series puts out about 50% more wattage than rated power (150 watts versus 100 watts). I haven't worried about the health of the speaker in the amp. The D-130 is a tough speaker.
You nailed the sound, by the way.
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