Reverb Unit for Jazz Guitar

**P4guitar** · 10-26-2012, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

Yeah I understand the Church can be too much... but try the beautiful reverb, it only takes a minute

Ok, I lost my toneprint virginity and didn't like it. The Morse toneprint is too much and it was hard to dial in something I can use.

To me, reverb should allow one to speak a sentence and not have the words run into each other - most of the settings on the HOF seem oriented to generate sweet mush, pleasant to the ear but not to the message.

Again it's all taste. Others will likely not share my taste and that's more than fine, it makes the world interesting.

To reiterate, I found a setting on the HOF that does work pretty well and I think it's a great reverb. Maybe they'll permit yours truly to have a 4thstuning toneprint...yeah, right.

**jorgemg1984** · 10-27-2012, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by feet

there was a recent thread about reverbs- the 2012 something or other, it was called.

at any rate- the hardwire supernatural does have lovely spring sounds (and plate, and can be run in stereo), but the other settings are of little to no use to a jazz guy. but its the best spring that i've heard so far, yes.

the dr scientist mini reverberator is what i'm currently going with- its subtle enough to not be an effect and it doesn't sound like you're playing a pedal all the time. one knob, a switch and a rotary dial (plus a volume boost knob) so it is very simple to use. but no spring setting, which is a huge fail. mono only.

would still like to try a strymon flint and a wet, but i don't feel a huge need. would like a stereo pedal, is all.

In my experience if a reverb pedal two great sounds I am already sold. I never tried one I liked much more than that... If the spring and plate on the Supernatural are that good it's worth it. I just use church and beautiful reverb on the HOF and I am more than happy

**jorgemg1984** · 10-27-2012, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by 4thstuning

Ok, I lost my toneprint virginity and didn't like it. The Morse toneprint is too much and it was hard to dial in something I can use.

To me, reverb should allow one to speak a sentence and not have the words run into each other - most of the settings on the HOF seem oriented to generate sweet mush, pleasant to the ear but not to the message.

Again it's all taste. Others will likely not share my taste and that's more than fine, it makes the world interesting.

To reiterate, I found a setting on the HOF that does work pretty well and I think it's a great reverb. Maybe they'll permit yours truly to have a 4thstuning toneprint...yeah, right.

I understand. In my case I don't like subtle reverbs, they tend to ruin your tone more than non-subtle (to me). What setting do you use usually?

**P4guitar** · 10-27-2012, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

I understand. In my case I don't like subtle reverbs, they tend to ruin your tone more than non-subtle (to me). What setting do you use usually?

On the HOF I use "Room" with FX and Decay mid-way, Tone around 11 o'clock, and Pre-delay long. My ears are still adjusting to these settings and I'll probably settle on even less in the future. If I ever put new strings on, then there will be even less need for reverb

The reason I don't use the long, spacious reverbs is because they mush up the notes when playing fast, whether single lines or rapid chord changes. I don't use distortion for the same reason.

**jorgemg1984** · 10-27-2012, 09:36 AM

I understand, my feelings are the exact opposite. very short room reverbs create a small slapback sound that messes with sustained single-notes. I also don't like too long ambient sounds - I agree that it makes your sound very confusing. There's a sort of middle way that gives a lot of air to your sustained notes and still lets your fast runs perfectly clear, the Church setting with 9 o clock settings allows for just that.

There are plenty of "modern" players who use long reverbs with delay and have perfectly clear sounds on fast runs - one might not like how it sounds but the runs being clear is pretty much factual.

**P4guitar** · 10-27-2012, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

I understand, my feelings are the exact opposite. very short room reverbs create a small slapback sound that messes with sustained single-notes. I also don't like too long ambient sounds - I agree that it makes your sound very confusing. There's a sort of middle way that gives a lot of air to your sustained notes and still lets your fast runs perfectly clear, the Church setting with 9 o clock settings allows for just that.

There are plenty of "modern" players who use long reverbs with delay and have perfectly clear sounds on fast runs - one might not like how it sounds but the runs being clear is pretty much factual.

I'll try your settings: 9 o'clock for everything right?

**HighSpeedSpoon** · 10-27-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Playerizor

I have the Holy Grail Pedal for use on my non-reverb amp. It works very well. I also have a Fender Deluxe Reverb so I know what really good reverb should sound.

With due respect to Playerizor, these things are a matter of taste. IMO there is a difference between how a really good reverb should sound and how a Fender reverb should sound. But to repeat, no disrespect is intended to Playerizor, and there are certainly others who share his view. Anyway, I went through many reverbs looking for "the one". Here are some choices that I remember:

Electro-Harmonix Cathedral Stereo Reverb Pedal: I like this one a lot. Small, lightweight, easy to dial in multiple settings and recall the one you want during performance.

DigiTech RV-7 HardWire Stereo Reverb Extreme-Performance Pedal: I remember thinking this pedal was very good and a good value, but I don't remember the details.

Damage Control Glass Nexus: IMO, this pedal serves up to-die-for sounds. It actually offers many effects, but I liked it for its reverb and delay. However, the Glass Nexus has a large footprint, it weighs a ton, and it has been discontinued by the manufacturer, Damage Control, who merged with Strymon. So unless you are looking for a a studio unit and willing to purchase a used copy, this is not for you.

Strymon Bluesky Reverberator: This is the unit I have been using for about two years now I think. I love the tone, and I like it as well or better than anything I have heard, including Fender reverbs. Is is a small, lightweight, digital unit. It has a few nice features, and offers good hall, plate, and room reverbs, which is all I ever want, plus a few other tricks that I don't use. It is expensive, but worth it IMO. To each his own.

**jorgemg1984** · 10-27-2012, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by 4thstuning

I'll try your settings: 9 o'clock for everything right?

Just tried! Henriksen head, Dr Z 1x12 closed back cab with EV, Guild X-500 with Church setting everything at 10 o clock (9 was too subtle) and no delay. Liked it a lot... but I think it will be too much for you

**docbop** · 10-27-2012, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Playerizor

I also have a Fender Deluxe Reverb so I know what really good reverb should sound.

You must have a real Blackface Deluxe before they changed the reverb circuit in the Silverface and later.

**P4guitar** · 10-27-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

Just tried! Henriksen head, Dr Z 1x12 closed back cab with EV, Guild X-500 with Church setting everything at 10 o clock (9 was too subtle) and no delay. Liked it a lot... but I think it will be too much for you

Well, I tried it at 9, 10, 11, and 12 the the conclusion is....it's all taste and subjectivity.

To me the Church setting has too long a tail, even when I can set the decay and the fx blend. I like a smaller echo so it can get out of the way of subsequent notes. Again, everyone's ears are different.

**jorgemg1984** · 10-27-2012, 10:22 PM

Yeah, diversity is a beautiful thing indeed

**Philco** · 10-27-2012, 10:37 PM

Some pro players seem to like this one. Trem as well.

**Bosko** · 10-28-2012, 09:26 AM

HoF is all I need.

**Frank67** · 10-28-2012, 09:39 AM

Finally came around to try the "beautiful reverb" toneprint on the HOF today. Like the church setting, it is too fuzzy and over the top for me with too long of a tail. I can see that in certain situations where a not-so-subtle reverb is wanted it would do fine, but for general use it is too much for me- i am just happy with the spring reverb on the HOF. No offense intended to anyone, everybody perceives tone a bit differently.

**feet** · 10-29-2012, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

I understand. In my case I don't like subtle reverbs, they tend to ruin your tone more than non-subtle (to me). What setting do you use usually?

the supernatural is possibly least subtle reverb ever.

i get what you're saying, though. it does more... obvious verb settings very well. with some trem you get that great old fender type sound. very nice.

i should add that the dr scientist reverberator also has a neat leslie setting, which basically turns your guitar into a hammond organ. pretty cool, once i figured it out.

so now i have two reverbs that do enough to justify their existence. one springs and spaces, one subtles and organs. i really wish i could squish the two together and sell one off. hopefully a flint might kill them both, but it won't have that neat hammond sound.

but it'll be stereo, at least. am a little scared; the last thing i need is a third reverb i don't want to get rid of. also concerned about having verb and trem in one box with regard to effect order, but i don't think that'll be a huge thing.

**Hammertone** · 10-29-2012, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by Philco

Some pro players seem to like this one. Trem as well.

I'm curious about the Strymon Flint as well.
Have any of you used one?

**Philco** · 10-29-2012, 05:04 AM

Mine arrived today.
I like it and I will admit to having some fairly hi end reverbs for my studio work. Including a hardware TC Electronics M3000 and too many TDM REv plugs to mention. Most of which I paid double what the Strymon cost.
But all that aside is it a good guitar rev?

Yes I like it. I have a reissue Fender Deluxe Rev so the first thing I tried was comparing the Strymon 60s rev with the real (reissued) thing. It's identical.
Except you have more control and it doesn't go "TWAAAAAAANG" when you kick it.
The other 2 revs (70s&80s) are very smooth and I prefer them both to the spring. But that's just my preference.
Decays are nice and smooth.
The Trem is a real added bonus and actually the reason I bought it. Very cool with lots of control.
I didn't know this but if you hold down the 2 switches on boot up, the pedal has a bunch of other features you can mess with.
Download the .pdf here.
http://www.strymon.net/wp-content/up...UserManual.pdf

**jorgemg1984** · 10-29-2012, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by feet

the supernatural is possibly least subtle reverb ever.

i get what you're saying, though. it does more... obvious verb settings very well. with some trem you get that great old fender type sound. very nice.

i should add that the dr scientist reverberator also has a neat leslie setting, which basically turns your guitar into a hammond organ. pretty cool, once i figured it out.

so now i have two reverbs that do enough to justify their existence. one springs and spaces, one subtles and organs. i really wish i could squish the two together and sell one off. hopefully a flint might kill them both, but it won't have that neat hammond sound.

but it'll be stereo, at least. am a little scared; the last thing i need is a third reverb i don't want to get rid of. also concerned about having verb and trem in one box with regard to effect order, but i don't think that'll be a huge thing.

Yeah i always have that fight with reverbs. That's why I also use delay so I don't use massive reverbs... I don't like them too subtle and I don't like them too ambient. The HOF Church and Beautiful at moderate settings give ma all I need.

I have an EQD dispatch master arriving which is a very small reverb and delay unit. I hope have big hopes for it!

**Androo** · 10-29-2012, 02:36 PM

No one mentioned Hermida Reverb!

**Top of the Arch!** · 10-29-2012, 03:21 PM

It looks like for the money the EH Grail is a good choice,Ill probably go with that.

**P4guitar** · 10-29-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Androo

No one mentioned Hermida Reverb!

Sure they did. Its chip is from Neunaber and it's a lesser version of the one used in the Neunaber Wet.

**Androo** · 10-29-2012, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by 4thstuning

Sure they did. Its chip is from Neunaber and it's a lesser version of the one used in the Neunaber Wet.

Well so they did! Doh!

It's a good pedal for sure. Simple, effective!

**jorgemg1984** · 10-29-2012, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Top of the Arch!

It looks like for the money the EH Grail is a good choice,Ill probably go with that.

The HOF offers much more for 30 bucks extra imo...

**feet** · 10-30-2012, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

I have an EQD dispatch master arriving which is a very small reverb and delay unit. I hope have big hopes for it!

was curious about some of their stuff. looked at the ghost echo and their boosts for a while. ultimately decided against because i wanted separate pedals at the time. on pgs they have some great demos. keep us posted.

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

The HOF offers much more for 30 bucks extra imo...

i'd believe this. the holy grail plus is nice. had one around for years. nothing too fancy, but it gets big enough. its spring and hall were enough for me for years.

**jorgemg1984** · 10-30-2012, 07:41 AM

The EQD arrived today. Tested for for 15m and that's all I can do for now... tomorrow i'll do more.

Now one must know what to expect from a pedal like this. On my main board I have a Flashback and a HOF and I can get any reverb / delay sound I want. The EQD cannot match that but that was not my idea.

In my experience I need reverb and delay to get what I want. People tend to ude reverb as delay and delays as reverb too much - I like a long tail reverb with ver low mix and then delay with low mix too to add trails to the sound.

In my small board I needed one small pedal to do it all. The EQD does it pretty well apparently so... it's what I needed. The reverb is a dark plate and the delay is a dark slightly modulated analog type. It sounds pretty nice and it's killer to take as just one pedal and have all the sound I want - no extra DCs or patch cables.

My only concern was an apparent very slight lack of headroom a stand alone unit. In my board is fine because I cut the signal with the volume pedal before it and boost it after.