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What would you say the approx value of a mid-nineties Super 400 is? Mint condition...great player.
I may have an opportunity to pick this one up but I really have no idea of ballpark for a fair price...any idea what's low and high in today's market?
Thanks much,
Lux
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09-01-2012 05:52 PM
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"Today's Market" is all over the board brother!
I've found a "few" good buys out there but those have been few and far in between. And imo, jazz archtop prices overall have not reflected a poor economy, for prices are as strong as ever for those I've bought and sold.
I've not seen Gibson's by and large, especially the perennial favorite Super 400's, selling for anything better than this recent posting. She's reportedly an '02 model, but she's a burgandy red...still all in all the best price I've seen on a more modern Sup 4' in some time.
Gibson super 400 CES | eBay
I believe Archtop Guy recently had a transaction with that beverly hills seller. That dealer must have one helluva guitar trade-in connection in LA for he posts nothing but elite archtops, and mainly high dollar Gib's.Last edited by 2bornot2bop; 09-01-2012 at 07:20 PM.
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Thanks, man.
When you 'better than', are you referring to the $8100 buy it now?
The one I am looking at, he wants $7800 - that a bit high or right in there?
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I'm on the 'bay daily and I've not seen a modern Super 400 sell less than $8k, although I've only viewed them randomly.
Originally Posted by Lux
Do a search for "completed auctions" of Gibson Super 400's. Access that info on the "advanced search" page of the ebay search engine. It will tell you exactly the information you're seeking by way of what's sold in the past 6 months or so, and for what amount.
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He sent my 17" Triggs New Yorker across the country in an older 18" case with no extra padding. Make sure what case you're getting. And he sent it ground. The guitar amazingly survived. And it is a beauty,but be careful about the shipping,and packaging. Good luck with the Super 400. Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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I'll tell you about prices for the Super 400CES. A 90s Sunburst Super 400CES, once owned by chop-socky Steven Seagal, was sold for $7200 recently by Norman's Rare Guitars. Joe V had a 1998 Wine Red which he sold for $5995. Jay Wolfe sold a '98 Sunburst with a hideous orange pickguard for $7295. 12th Fret in Canada sold a 90s Super 400CES with Seymour Duncan Antiquities, Schaller Roller Saddle, the original TOM saddle and a pair of the original Gibson Classic 57s for CND6500 recently (this one had Grover Imperial tuners instead of Kluson SealFasts).
What's the price for a mid-90s Super 400CES? It depends on the finish. If you do not want it too badly, $6500 to $7000 is where it is at for one in Sunburst. I would give a Natural $500 premium. For Wine Red, take away $500.
$7800 is optimistic for a mid-90s Super 400. If I were you, I would offer $6500 and I am being generous.Last edited by Jabberwocky; 11-18-2012 at 03:28 PM.
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... Originally Posted by Archtop Guy
Last edited by Jabberwocky; 11-18-2012 at 03:26 PM.
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Lux, man, the Super 400CES is one big beautiful fat-bottomed girl. If the seller does not care to pack it very well, (like Archtop Guy found out of his Triggs, to his chagrin), the neck is likely to snap at the headstock. Yeah, that infamous Gibson headstock snap. I saw 2 Super 400CES on ebay over the last two weeks with that infamous re-glued neck joint.
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Great advice, guys - much appreciated. Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
Ok, so $7800 sounds high...I did a search on Ebay and, yeah - looks like $7k is about as high as it gets for a '95-'96 Super 400.
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Lux, Did you see this one? Ebay # 110942750007
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That's one of the two with a repaired broken neck joint. Originally Posted by Archtop Guy
Elderly Bros. sold a mid-90s Sunburst recently with a repaired back seam and checked lacquer for $5500.00.
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elderly bros ?
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Sorry, I just saw it and shot it off without reading into it. A miss fire so to speak. It won't happen again. I won't deal with Elderly anymore. They're like a used car dealer. What ever they have is worth a lot,what you have is wholesale. Insulting. What's going on with Beverly Hills?
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That's a used car dealer formula. But that's not exclusive to Elderly Bros., it's an industry thing, as it is with car dealers to buy low and sell high. Originally Posted by Archtop Guy
many dealers will use the old tried and true guitar blue book value trick to establish what your guitar is worth. that's the same trick the used car dealer uses to steal your trade. bottom line, no dealer's going to pay more than 80% of wholesale value for any trade, and if he does he's making it on the sale end of the new guitar he's selling you. this isn't rocket science.
I attempted to trade my Heritage SE in to my local archtop.com and was offered $2k for a mint rare custom version SE...uh huh I said...so that's how this works.. needless to say I sold it on my own, and as it turned out it sold for more than twice that amount...point being, dealers are in business to make mula, and no dealer is going to pay market value on a trade in while at the same time discounting his inventory. I spose' many dealers count on folks who don't want the hassle of selling their own box. I don't get that...throw it up on the web and sell it yourself...hell I've sold too many guitars to mention just this year alone.
Consign this, is my motto!
Last edited by 2bornot2bop; 09-03-2012 at 12:04 PM.
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late to the thread, sorry. do you use Ebay or another? Thanks. Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
That's a used car dealer formula. But that's not exclusive to Elderly Bros., it's an industry thing, as it is with car dealers to buy low and sell high.
I attempted to trade my Heritage SE in to my local archtop.com and was offered $2k for a mint rare custom version SE...uh huh I said...so that's how this works.. needless to say I sold it on my own, and as it turned out it sold for more than twice that amount...point being, dealers are in business to make mula, and no dealer is going to pay market value on a trade in while at the same time discounting his inventory. I spose' many dealers count on folks who don't want the hassle of selling their own box. I don't get that...throw it up on the web and sell it yourself...hell I've sold too many guitars to mention just this year alone.
Consign this, is my motto!
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two obvious issues with selling anything on eBay is you've got to include eBay and paypal fees into the price of any sell. Originally Posted by fumblefingers
nowadays on a $3k guitar that's a $190 bill, plus the shipping fees. considering a consigned guitar you're charged 20-25% of any sell, still ebay is the better value, for one will pocket more from selling that item themselves...just as they will by selling their own car vs. trading it in to a dealer.
I've been fortunate to move every thing I've needed to move between craigs and ebay. at minimum you've got to make your ad *pop*, and that means using the html feature with far more than the minimum small sized ebay photo's, which is the norm for sellers, even those selling an item like a guitar, which we all know requires lots of photographic scrutiny in order to better evaluate it....so many folks don't want to put forth the effort...it takes me several hours to both photograph hi res images, and then to post a proper ad with both video examples of an item I'm selling, and a photo montage. the end result is your ad pops while the rest...well...i've seen the same item sit and sit for months while others with an identical item properly displayed move quickly. Case in point, 2 Lucille's I sold in 2 weeks, while others, most dealers, still sit there. bottom line is, one can't have too many photo's on any item they're selling. archtop.com does what, 8 photo's on the guitars he consigns....and they move, because buyers are out there...same goes for ebay...if you want to land a buyer make your ad *pop*, or in other words, GAS it up.
heck, as an example of someone consistently selling prime guitars who doesn't even put out any real effort on properly displaying them is that beverly hills character on the 'bay. that should tell anyone that there's a market for prime real estate...guitars will sell when properly presented. you're not looking for any buyer...you want THE right buyer. that's how I sell. any idiot can place a blowout price on a guitar and get it moved.
but if you've not sold 15-20 items on ebay in the past few years the problem for new sellers is ebay put a new policy in effect a year ago that now automatically holds the funds for your item for 21 days, or until the buyer leaves you positive feedback...whichever comes first.
that's done to attempt to avoid scam sellers from ripping off buyers, but every ebay user now pays the penalty of having to wait for their funds until they've sold X number of items successfully, meaning not having issues on the buyers end by way of complaints and cases being filed against you as a seller. once you've cleared that hurdle funds are immediately released once they've been paid on your sold item.Last edited by 2bornot2bop; 09-03-2012 at 12:15 PM.
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