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well i own the acoustic lunchbox and as i posted had the original lunchbox and the acoustic to compare side by side for over 2 weeks and at gigs.......... they 2 totally different beasts , i got the feeling the original was the stripped down prototype and the acoustic one was the next step in the evolution with all the extra features...
Originally Posted by pingu
.however the only thing i found was that the original seemed LOUDER but it has to do with the way the preamps are voiced........ the original is voiced to accept modern pups .....
so when compared side by side and i did this often in the 2 weeks i had them the original is to my ears clearly louder but raw /hard sounding like any rocker/indie player would want and my tele sounded awesome and edgy through it ..... where the preamps of the acoustic are both different one is a cannon input so balanced for microphone or DI box and the other for instrument is voiced softer for acoustic instruments ....... but each input has a gain so you can boost it alot ,
anyway heard side by side they are very different tonally and as i mentioned for archtop , nylon string and 335 my acoustic lunchbox works fabulously ...and offers a very natural sound (but one needs to get the hang of the settings as the gain and 2x tone knobs all seem to work together so if one is set wrong it sounds off...it took a while to find the sweet spot ...so experiment ...but when you find it it works everytime ) and i do small pro gigs with it (it copes even with just internal speaker in about an 80 seater restaurant and thats with a drummer with brushes.....
AND TO GET BACK TO THE OP ..RE SMALL POWERFUL AMP HEARDS JUST add the external speaker and it opens up hugely and can compete with any 100W amp out there .........
anyway if you go to youtube i have a lot of video under the name ("Keira Witherkay & Ian Brady" ) where it's just filmed at gigs and the ZT is used placed on the floor next to my chair to get a fatter sound and just using internal speaker and it sounds great for live........ the amp is NOT mic'd up just using the internal speaker too
in studio i would still use my tube amp .....
the original question as for noise ....yes if you place your ear up against the speaker when nothing is plugged in you get a very slight hiss/white noise sound......... but it's soft that if you walk a metre or two away you can't hear it ..... but as you play louder that noise NEVER increases in volume it's just the noise of the circuit or whatever ....... i NEVER use drive at any gigs and play my archtop and 335 totally clean just with reverb and i can't notice any noise ............again i'm vouching for the acoustic version ......my 15 w tube amp is noiser than the acoustic lunchbox when placed side by side with both switched on and nothing plugged in yet the recording engineers are happy to use the tube amp in the studio when i do sessions ...as it's still quieter than most other tube amps so on the acoustic version yes there is a white noise but so soft it would not bother me ...... and even at softest live gigs you can't hear it when you play
i believe no amp can be the best and if you look hard enough even the most top end boutique amp can be found wanting in some departments , so if you looking at the ZT acoustic lunchbox see it as a fully featured yet compact and at 5.5 kg extremely light with 2 independant channel amp thats good for high power can be used as a head if you add a cab and cheap enough to get change from $400,
bottom line is i am putting my money where my mouth is and in near future will be buying another ZT amp to have a pair to use in stereo and get spread . and they just released the lunchbox Jr which is able to run on 12V batterry but only 30W but i want one so make that 2x ZT's in near futureLast edited by Keira Witherkay; 07-07-2012 at 01:01 AM.
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07-07-2012 12:33 AM
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I like the sound in the ZT acoustic lunchbox, and good playing Originally Posted by Keira Witherkay
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I found the original Lunchbox to be harsh sounding. I much preferred the Club, but I felt its limited tonal range made it suitable for ensemble playing only. I'll stick with my Jazzmaster Ultralight (and my Deluxe Reverb reissue, and my Bandmaster VM with a Weber 15, and my Sears Silvertone 1484
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Just wander over here where you will find hundreds of small amps, which all look very portable and a lot of them look very tasty. Enjoy!
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Hi everybody.
Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.
Good to know that I am not the only one finding it odd, that there are
so few options out there....
and good to know some alternatives.
I have quite the mind to try out the Ameson RS Jazz 90 from MAJ Electronic .
To use the lunchbox is good idea in and out of itself. But for me, the main point is portability - therefore I am looking for a lighter weight option...
Cheers,
Helgo
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Helgo if you're not in a hurry wait for the mambo head. It will be smaller / lighter than the Ameson and it will have twice the power - 180w (in the same price range). A lot of pros are using this amps in the UK they are supposed to be close to old Polytones but quite better... I would not mind having one but I am happy with my amps these days!
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Nice, I think I wait for that Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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We finally have "jazz amps" in Europe!
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It is about time for that Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
We finally have "jazz amps" in Europe!
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Wait: Strike that; reverse it! I played a duo gig at a small restaurant last night with the AR403 and the JazzAmp112. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! 32 lbs isn't that much to lug around! Originally Posted by Tom Karol
By the way, it was close quarters - me, the amp, and the back wall. I quickly dialed in these settings and didn't touch a knob the rest of the night:
Guitar - Tone and Volume both on 8;
Amp - Volume on 9:00 O'Clock, Reverb on 9:00, and ...
100 - 10:30
300 - 9:00
1000 - 12:00
3000 - 12:00
10000 - 12:00.Last edited by Tom Karol; 07-08-2012 at 11:55 AM.
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yeah i checked out the mambo amps site and i too want one........... i love the fact that it can be batterry powered too, and not at lower volumes like most batterry amps of about 20 - 30 W(like the roland ac33 ) but the site says it can deliver 100W on battery power, thats incredible.... ....and 180W with mains and at under 10kg .......well i'm a believer ......... they not cheap but may be the perfect answer to us average "working class(carry your own gear to every gig )" pro muso's out there ......
looks impressive......
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Keira I have never tried one because I am in Portugal but a friend of mine is ordering one based on my advice; when I try it I can report.
Meanwhile if you want contact Franz1997 here on the forum. He has one and he is a really nice guy, he will answer all your questions! (and he does know a lot about amps)
For what I understand Jon (owner of mambo amps) is a really audio expert and he know what he is doing. I have traded several e-mails with him and he was always very helpful; I did not buy his head because it didn't delivered enough power at 4 ohms so it was unusable with one of my cabs.
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How'd the gig go, Tom? Hope it went well! Originally Posted by Tom Karol
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You put in something very important the many don't think about when talking about setting and that is the guitar settings. I see many ask for amp setting and rarely get info on the guitar and its settings. Originally Posted by Tom Karol
I point this out because I got another guitar about a month ago and it's taking a bit of time for me to get the hang of how it responds to volume and tone changes.
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Jorge - I mentioned Evans because imo they seem to get overlooked in discussion of jazz amps. Sure, they are not inexpensive, but in my experience you get what you pay for, and having tried a couple of their amps at different times, I'd say the build quality is second to none and they sound very musical to my ears. Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
I've not tried Mambo or Ameson.
Bill
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Bill I didn't want to question your choice, hope you didn't get it that way. The Evans clips I heard sounded very good but to me in that price range I would go for a tube head... but hey maybe when I try one I change my mind
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@ Docbop: Yes, I used to set all the knobs on 10 on all my guitars, but I've found out that each one seems to have its own sweet spot(s).
@ Hallpass: Thanks - it went really well; looks like we may be there twice a month on a regular basis from now on!
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Don't forget to check out the Phil Jones AG-150 guitar amp.
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Hi. Thanks.... I am not in a hurry what so ever.. I just like to dream about gear and browse the internet for interesting stuff
Cheers,
HelgoLast edited by Helgo; 07-09-2012 at 09:13 AM.
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It is impossible to play on it with loud drums...;-( Originally Posted by Section Player
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+1
Acoustic Image
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Acoustic Image amps have PA EQ / speaker. Good for acoustic guitar or double bass, not that good for a guitar with a magnetic pickup...
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I used Clarus 1 with arch-top and semi-hollow guitar .
It worked great with these guitars.
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Are there any drummers left on the planet who know how to play dynamics, and play softly? Who have discovered lighter sticks and brushes? Who are musical? Originally Posted by kris
My drummer joke: What do you call a guy who hangs out with musicians? A drummer!!
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I have seen this argument said around here many times and I think it reflects a certain way of seeing jazz. But I like a good discussion so... Originally Posted by Section Player
A lour drummers is a poor drummer for jazz because it always plays loud and keep dynamics always too high right? Wouldn't a soft drummer who uses light sticks and brushes be also a bad drummer because he keeps dynamics always too low? Doesn't one argument leads to ther other?
To me an interesting drummer plays loud when he has too (and sometimes jazz has to be played loud) and soft when he needs to. A drummer that uses briushes and a soft attack ALL THE TIME makes jazz feel like hotel lobby music to me honestly...
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