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The Heritage GE Floater that I sold you had a volume and tone knob on the pick guard and was stock. Not that I use the tone knob that much, but some Golden Eagles with a floater are shipped with vol & tone knobs.
Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
Last edited by Kuz; 12-01-2012 at 07:47 PM.
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12-01-2012 07:16 PM
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True. I assumed it was originally ordered that way. I've had 1 GE with a tone control and 3 without. Originally Posted by Kuz
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The sound is from the wood .Tone control is just a control.
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Hello Peter,
I have a NewYork Peerless with only Vol. pot.
With my amp fender 90 deluxe (transistor) the sound is too much acoustic and I don't know how to have a different sound.
I use 0.12 to 0.54 strings.
Whic amp do you use?
And how do you set the Amp tones?
An important things, i think, is never use the volume at the end of the scale, I use it in the middle position...
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Hi Marvec,
mine is a Monarch not a New York,so they probably have a difference in woods,and tone as well,mine has only volume control,tones come from wood, hands, and the amp tonestack,anyway she sounds pretty nice be it with my Jam 150 solid state,or in my valve amps,only thing... I changed the pickup,I just put in an Aaron Armstrong handwounded minihumbucker,
a bit overwounded,since the Monarch is in massive spruce and tends to be clearer and more hig frequency oriented,so the new pickup,being overwounded,tame a bit the highest frequencies;
I have a custom made head,built point to point with hig grade hardware ( condensers,resistors,handwounded transformers etc..) based on the original Fender Vivrolux circuit,but with a few modifications (for the better) in the tone stack,it is powered by a couple of 6L6 in push-pull (40 watts more or less),tube rectified,a 12Ax7 in the pre and a another 12AX7 for phase splitter,all of them are JJs,standard,apart from the V1 wich is a NOS one;
this goes through a 2x12" cabinet loaded with Vintage 30s,wich themselves tame the high frequencies,whatever guitar you put in that amp,it sound like "liquid silk"....or can sparkle like an old Blackface... Tone heaven!
Also have a tiny "Traynor Darkhorse" head,through a 1x12" cabinet loaded with an Eminence Cannabis Rex,wich sounds more "gritty and Bluesy" but can do cleans very good too.
What works for my amp settings may not be the same for yours,because they are different....it's a matter of trying ;-)
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Ok Peter, good picture!
just for clarify I'm Italian from sicily...
The pick up changes is an important upgrade, like the monarch, as you said , the new York had a sound hig frequency oriented.Also the wood create that particular sound(the new york is laminated).
I think that also the valve amps could make the difference...
Anyway I found your suggestion very very useful!
have a nice day!
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Check your PMs, i've sent you my contact for further inquiries
regards from "rainy" Tuscany...
I guess over there, the sun is shining.....
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I've had a peerless monarch the last 5 years - 1 volume no tone pot & am very happy with it - have played it mainly through a fender twin reverb silverface & didn't miss the tone pot at all. (Have now sold the twin & have a mambo 10" wedge on order!)
Overall i think that it is a great guitar - it has a great tone; great sustain & is very playable
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I've found electric guitars with no controls to be untameably bright, and this is coming from a brightness freak! As was noted earlier, just the presence of the pot in the circuit peels off a bit of the high end, and in a completely different way than an amp treble control does. Also, you can't get a good "smoke" tone without a well-voiced tone control on the guitar. Amp controls alone won't cut it.
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Well,sorry mate but if you come down here I'll show you a very "smoky" tone,without tone pot ;-) Originally Posted by D.G.
The amp "most of times",(and the pickup) makes the difference,a lot actually!
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Off and on, for many years, I've been using guitars with no tone control and some with no controls at all. Also, I've used a volume pedal instead of guitar controls, I've even built my own volume pedal which includes a tone control.
Do you need a tone control?
It depends on the guitar's inherent sound when combined with the amp's EQ (or the pedal's EQ, mixer's EQ etc).
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On most of my archtops which came without one i added a tone control (thumbwheel), but not on all of them. On some guitars the highs never sound harsh, so they don't need one. This said, i think it all depends on the preference of the player.
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For a guitar with no tone pot, but which has too bright/treble tone. An interesting experiment is to put a capacitor between the Pickup ground and live wires at the output jack (or elsewhere).
I've tried capacitors ranging from 5nf (0.005uF) to 15nF (0.015uF) with good results for my ears.
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I always play with my foot on a volume pedal. I don't use the volume knob on the guitar unless, for some reason, I don't have my volume pedal -- like sitting in somewhere using somebody else's gear.
But, I have to have a tone control. The reason is that, during the course of a gig, either the sound really changes (like due to the room filling up or the band getting louder) or, it's just my perception. Also, the songs may require different sounds. Whichever, I have to adjust treble. I either want more bite, or less.
Years ago I had a tone/volume pedal. Toe down for volume, toe-right for more treble. Couldn't get used to it. I checked quickly and didn't find a similar product on the market now.
https://www.kauffmannsguitarstore.co...ume-Tone-4.jpg
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When I bought my Loar 700 a few years ago it came with a floating mini HB , a vol and tone knob. The tone didn't work until a couple of months ago when I discovered it was shorting. It was clearly 50s wiring and all correct values. I rectified the short but found the tone unusable. It got really muddy and I lost volume quickly. So I don't use it.
I may try modern wiring sometime but that could be worse.
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Ive had a number of Peerless archtops , no tone control. A tone control is a really easy "mod" just look on utube. I did add one on a Peerless made Epi Emperor that sounded great without it and no improvement "to my ear" with it. The best mods on all my Peerless guitars was to either swap in a hand wound KA or send him the stock one and have him rewind it like a JS.
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Watching Youtube videos, I am intrigued by how many amateur guitarists playing jazz have a muddy muffled tone or a harsh, bright tone. Pro jazz guitarists rarely fall into either trap. Mitch Holder has some good videos on how to use the volume and tone controls to get a good jazz sound. Set the amp louder than you need so you don't have to have the guitar volume full up. Set your basic sound with the volume (rolling it down rounds off the top end) and season with the tone knob.
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