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Damn you're entertaining. Now what's your problem with Fender? Bad specs? Somewhat off in terms of playability?
Originally Posted by GoergeBenson
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07-07-2014 09:41 PM
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Why are they so expensive? Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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A wise man once said:
"Enough consumers are willing to pay that price for the company to make what they consider a good profit. If sales plummet, the price will go down. Simply, it is that price because buyers are willing to pay that price."
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That wise man was my Economics professor. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
A wise man once said:
"Enough consumers are willing to pay that price for the company to make what they consider a good profit. If sales plummet, the price will go down. Simply, it is that price because buyers are willing to pay that price."
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"Why is it so expensive?" I'll try again: the model is profitable at that price ... enough consumers are willing to pay that price for the company to make what they consider a good profit. If sales plummet, the price will go down. Simply, it is that price because buyers are willing to pay that price.
I meant selling argument.... for buyer.
Well... never mind
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I bought me a Zenith ply archtop for cheap and it had a pre WW2 QC sticker inside with Ivor Mairaints signature on it! Good fun it is too... Originally Posted by Hammertone
It's in bits waiting for inspiration at the mo'
Hats off to Mr Godin. He saw a niche in the market and using engineering skill he has produced a consistent quality hollow bodied guitar at a price, just like those pesky American companies. Originally Posted by Hammertone
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They (Godin) just had a price increase which I believe included these models, so the consumer demand must be there! I've been eyeing one and drooling ever since I heard a YouTube demo from some guy in Australia, the tone for jazz was very beautiful, full, and convincing. When amplified with the right amp it sounded very much like a "Joe Pass on his 175" sort of tone. Very usable for jazz.
I recently bought a Godin Montreal Premiere and it is an astoundingly lively guitar. Definitely NOT a ES 335 tone-wise and in general doesn't sound like most classic Gibson jazz tone as we know it, but as someone else mentioned, it provides new tonal qualities to work with so I get to sound like "me" and not some person emulating someone else. And the tones it does have are great and very usable for various types of jazz and other kinds of music. Plus it is very, very light although it feels very well constructed and solid. Nothing rattles, hums, or buzzes and straight out of the box it was very playable. You could literally take it straight to the gig with zero worries or concerns.
If the Montreal Premiere is any indication of tone and quality, I think the Fifth Avenue Jazz model is probably very well worth the money. The quality and tone are there on the MP, plus it is one of the most naturally resonant (in a very good way) and best playing guitars I've tried in a very long time. Ironically, the resonance and feel reminded me a lot of my brand-new Gibson ES 335 I got in 1968 due to the Godin MP's mahogany neck. But the tone is much, much more lively, natural and acoustic than the 335.
A few years ago I bought a 339 and was very disappointed with the tone, feel, and quality of some parts of the build. The neck was dead at the 12th fret, the grain on the fingerboard was extremely open wide and deep, the pickups loose and not mounted parallel to the strings, etc. ... and I really wanted to love that guitar. Sorry Gibson, I was devoted to you for almost 50 years, but not any more. Customer service at Gibson couldn't have cared less IMHO, by the way.
The Godin Montreal Premiere blows the 339 out of the water in every respect except for having the perfect classic Gibson jazz tone. But the Godin's lively acoustic and very harmonically rich overtones are inspiring and lovely, even my wife commented on how nice it sounds both acoustically and amplified. It is a far more versatile and "pretty-sounding" guitar than the 339. The fretboard has excellent tight and uniform grain, too. I guess Canada can still import the quality woods that Korea and Japan are allowed to use, the mahogany neck grain also looks to be of good quality with once tight and uniform grain. Gibson now uses Richlite fingerboards on Les Paul Customs, whereas the Godin Fifth Avenue Jazz has a real ebony fretboard. (Yes apples to oranges, but I can see the writing on the wall for Gibson due to wood importing restrictions and it's a darned shame.)
So, I will probably also be buying the Fifth Avenue Jazz because I am so positively impressed with the quality, great playability and tone of the Montreal Premiere. And I will be buying it because it gets such a great "traditional" 175 sort of tone! This conclusion was reached after watching every video and reading every review I could find.
From what I've read, in blind testing most players prefer the sound of a guitar with a laminated top for jazz. The smaller body on the 5th Ave. Jazz makes it sound more like a parlour guitar acoustically, but when amplified the classic hum bucking tone is all there according to the demos I watched and comments I read. I think the smaller body would also help to control potential for feedback at lower frequencies in higher-volume situations.
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