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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
i prefer dots on the fingerboard (and lines on my fretless). I don't look 100% of the time but feel more comfortable with big jumps, particularly in the upper registers when I have a dot as a reference.
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12-23-2022 09:50 AM
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For me I think the main thing is that there are fretboard indicators on the side of the neck.
one of the leading jazz players on my local scene couldn’t get on with a Selmer type guitar on the basis it had the fretboard dots on 3 5 7 and 10 (as is traditional for this kind of guitar.)
I once did a Tedesco* and tippexed dots on the side of my classical’s neck. I’m not too proud to admit it; I kept playing in the wrong key and didn’t want to screw up a nice gig that I was paid for. I am not Tommy, but I am a working player who wants to get the music right. The reality is no one’s checking my instrument for dots lol, but they will definitely notice when I play a semitone out haha. Call me a cheat, but that’s life in the trenches.
I think unless forum members maintaining that dots are for n00bs are better musicians than ole Tommy, they might possibly be judgemental bedroom players talking out their botty holes, but that’s just, like, my opinion maaaaann.
If you trained under a Yepes student or something from age 6 on trad Spanish guitar, and dots are unnecessary for you, good on ya, but not every good guitar player has that type of background, nor is that training necessarily relevant to other areas of music and guitar playing.
*I think it was Tommy in the story iirc, correct me if notLast edited by Christian Miller; 12-23-2022 at 11:36 AM.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Again, more power to folks who don't need them but when metheny, benson, scofield, richard bona and gary willis have custom instruments made, they aren't embarrassed to have dots or lines (in the case of fretless) so I think we can all relax here and let folks use dots if they want them. Don't think the music is any less significant when there are dots.
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Originally Posted by jzucker
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Especially if one plays many different instruments, with different dimensions, where the neck meets the body wherever... you do need some way of finding the fret fast. And small side dots aren't always visible live, so I prefer fretboard marks.
I have enough trouble navigating the electronics with different guitars.. Especially this where builders put left hand pots in left handed guitars, so you end up with some of them turning clockwise and some counter clockwise...
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
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I think another reason for the 10th position dot (or at least an advantage) is that gypsy jazz tunes, being guitar based, are mostly in guitar keys. American jazz, if that is a correct name for it, tends toward flat keys to accommodate the trumpet and sax players.
Frankly, I really like the 10th fret dot. I put a tiny piece of copper tape on the side position of the 10th fret of all my archtop and electric guitars. It’s totally reversible and a great reference point for me.
Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Originally Posted by rsclosson
Yes, really flat keys indeed, trumpet and sax players feel really accommodated when guitarists stop trying to understand what Bb and Eb instruments are.
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
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The premise in the video is obviously false. I doubt it's the dorian pentatonic scale. However, I like how he's nice and friendly. Nodes seems like a good explanation. I also think it's just a logical way to layout guide points to get your bearings on fret numbers.
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Originally Posted by rsclosson
Man, you were talking about the dot on the 9th fret. If you can't understand what you wrote...
When I played in rock bands, I never told them to play in flat keys.
If a sax player can't play the blues scale in all keys... I'd rather he stay at home.
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
You don't know me or my experience which is long and quite varied and I assure you that the blues scale in any key is not a problem for me. I have NEVER asked anybody to change keys to accommodate my playing. Perhaps you need to re read my posts and try to understand what I was saying instead of looking for a fight.
This is my last response to you.
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Originally Posted by rsclosson
I was pulling your leg.
The dot on 9th... Read again what you wrote
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
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I’m not quite getting my head around this idea
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OK !
I play the game !
X
12
9
7
5
3
From low to high : G D A E B
From high to low : B E A D G
Relationships between 4ths and 5ths
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With dot on 10th
On the E string : G A B D E
On the A string : C D E G A
On the D string : F G A C D
No altered basses...
C Major...
I'm not an expert in numerology.
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The first one is harmonic (9th) and chromatic mind....
The second is diatonic (10th) or kind of...
G Major E minor
C Major A minor
F Major D minor
It works like a three row diatonic accordion...Last edited by Lionelsax; 12-23-2022 at 07:15 PM. Reason: Being serious for a second
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Two of the best arguments for dots on guitar necks are Steve Cropper's intros for 'Knock on Wood' and 'In The Midnight Hour'. He wrote them by following the dots in ascending and descending order respectively (with that same 10th fret adjustment as the barre chords are E, G, A, B & D).
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Ridiculous question.
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Because, La France!
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
The French are notorious for doing things just to be different to the English.
On a different note, seriously this thread has descended into idiocy.
"I'm a fucking amazing guitarist me, look I play with NO fret markers!"
Ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by KingKong
Is it possible to simply solve the problem by outlawing fretboard inlays and lines (on fretless) ?
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My Ibanez Jet King has no dots. It's got triangles on the fretboard, because it was designed to play only triads.
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Originally Posted by KingKong
those daft Frenchies, what what.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I'm surprised they haven't brought in EU regulations about this, to standardise the fret market positions!
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