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Originally Posted by cris1xy
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04-26-2021 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chameleon
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Originally Posted by voxsss
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So I'm basically self taught and learned on jobs. Nothing like having make a rent payment for motivation,LOL !
3 things are most important above all!
1.)Know all the notes on your fingerboard
2.) Know some music theory, scales and chord construction above the 7th degree
3.) Learn Repertoire! This is most important if you want to understand why the first 2 things are so important!
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I don't have any recommendations, just a couple of observations.
Asking a student to submit a video of his/her playing seems sound pedagogic practice, as it allows the teacher to study and analyse what's going on before the lesson, which allows better preparation. In real time teaching, details can easily be missed, and explanations too hurried. You will have to get over that shyness if you're ever going to play out, anyway.
It's ironic that a non-native speaker of English (Jens) turns out to be a better (verbal) communicator! Bit of a wake-up call for native English speaking teachers who maybe think they're addressing the guy down the road.
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Originally Posted by cris1xy
The interesting thing about instruction is the whole "you don't know what you don't know" thing. For example, I think a lot of players/students spend too much time drilling scales and arpeggios in the beginning of their, um "jazz journey" (for lack of a better term,) relative to other skills. A good teacher can help properly prioritize things like arpeggios against other practice activities (eg you may be overdoing it, or under-doing it!) and also lay out more efficient strategies for tackling whatever it is you're working on. There isn't much to substitute for somebody sitting with you for a few minutes and going "ok, can you do this? ok how about this? ok that's too hard, that's ok. how about this? oh, ok, clearly that's real easy for you, so I think the best things for you to work on right now are..." and then digging right into the most helpful spot of development, as opposed to covering ground you're already comfortable with, or going too quickly into things that might be above the pay grade.
Keep in mind that, depending on the teacher, there may not be a minimum frequency - eg, you can have 'check-ins' once a month, once every two months etc.
So I guess my points are two-fold:
1. Whatever your stage of development, the right teacher is likely a big time saver, at minimum, in the end. (Of course, a bad teacher can send you in the wrong direction and do more harm than good, but that's another topic I guess.)
2. The teacher vs course thing doesn't necessarily have to be all or nothing; you might find it useful to be working with course material and separately do sporadic or infrequent kind of 'check in' sessions with a teacher or even with a variety of teachers.
Just my $0.02.
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Random Root Sheets for Efficient Music Practice | Anton Schwartz - Jazz Music
Use those sheets for a few years when practicing lines, melodies and other things.
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Hey chris... you need to get some jazz skills on your instrument before lessons. Technical very boring. If your interested... I can post basic required guitar skills to start playing at the speed of jazz.
Disclaimer... many on this forum might disagree, but not many pros.
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Originally Posted by jads57
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So chris....
1) Need to determine where your at with your guitar skills...
2) Would help to see your fingering and picking skills. Don't need to see much...
Do you understand that the guitar is a 12 fret repeating pattern instrument ?
As far as where to start... Can you play 2 octaves of a G maj. scale starting on low "E" string... starting on all scale degrees. (so you would be starting in 2nd position and start on each scale degree and move up by position to 14th position). This has nothing to do with playing scales....just understanding the fretboard.
If you can... can you do the same with arpeggios.
Again... these are just basic instrument technical requirements... not Performance skills. Not what to play or hear, How to realize on the Guitar... what you play and hear.
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Originally Posted by jads57
I’m a big fan of self taught players!
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I did the Richie Zellon course for a long time. Almost made it through the entire first course before moving on. It's very good for *starting* to get a handle on arpeggios and various ways of approaching the chord tones in those arpeggios in a few different positions that reflect the intervals of the chords you're playing. I think in theory the rhythm templates and etudes make sense for internalizing some of that stuff, but...and it's a big but....while the rhythms chosen for these etudes are commonly found in jazz, if you play them straight as written, it's going to sound really, really corny, and you don't want to be internalizing that corniness into your playing. I have great respect for Richie and his method—I think it works, but I also think you have to be aware of the pitfalls and make sure to work at your phasing and timefeel so you don't end up swinging like a cornball. Always reference real recordings / live players for this, especially when starting out.
Honestly, if it's at all an option, I'd recommend getting together with a teacher—weekly, monthly, quarterly, whatever—whether virtually or in person.
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You know, I tend to think in complementary terms more often than in mutually exclusive. That said, it would be ideal to find a teacher who recommends a method/course, and then go through the said course under the supervision and with feedback from the said teacher.
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If you want structure, you may be better off with a formal course. Some suggest Berklee's online jazz guitar course. A private teacher is the next best especially if they have a teaching qualification. I personally don't think you need to reach a level before getting lessons. In fact, there's a case to argue the earlier you start with a teacher the less bad habits you'll form.
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