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Originally Posted by Ukena
I think what Alan meant is if we could all play like a jazz guitar legend, we would still be dissatisfied, and striving for more. That is the nature of guitar. Some might say "wow that is a legend" but I suspect the legend is his own worst critic, and is in a state of constantly striving for better. Isn't that the case with everyone who plays an instrument? As I said earlier in the thread, sometimes I think "hey that was great" about some aspect of playing but it is a fleeting thing, a constant pursuit. The thrill of the chase.
I talked to the OP some more and advised him to create a thread asking about practice regimens for jazz guitar. He needs good guidance. As I am not a jazz guy I recommended he ask, because there is a wealth of knowledge here. The only advice I could really provide him is not to spurn the blues. I was watching that Benson interview with Beato and he mentioned Jack McDuff being on his case to be playing some blues. A lot of guys miss that, especially younger guys and it's a big disservice to not include that in his playing. I can't give him a lot more advice than that with regard to guitar. I think the guy is motivated to do something good for himself so hopefully you guys can provide that quality guidance for him.
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03-23-2024 10:02 PM
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Re: Don't spurn the blues
That's fantastic advice.
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I more agree with Ukena. Yes, there's the instinct for all musicians to be self critical and strive for continual improvement, but if you're not a foo with respect to realization, you should be able to be happy and even find continual happiness about achieving milestones. That's how it's been for me.
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Practicing the guitar brings me joy.
I don’t really think about my playing
level. I am humble in public because people don’t like a braggart, but I’m no longer concerned with labels like, beginner, intermediate or advanced.
There’s guys that are better than me that can’t get a gig, and guys that are worse turning gigs down because they’re so busy.
I did play tonight and got another booking before I left. That brought me a lot of joy.
Edit: I guess my point is, I don’t see how you can enjoy mastery without gigging. And in line with that, you don’t need mastery to gig, you need persistence and desire. So, I don’t understand be good be happy. Thats too abstract for me. Good is a moving
goal that you never reach.
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Well that's a good perspective to have, and you should enjoy music at whatever stage you're at, but that completely isn't true that good is a moving goal that you never reach. You think if you can play correctly, keep good time, play the head, outline the changes, do some tech stuff, phrase well, play an inspiring solo, not make clams etc, that hasn't achieved being good?
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Originally Posted by RJVB
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
If I saw someone else do it, I would certainly compliment them and think they were good. In my opinion, anyone who can solidly play through a song, even if it’s Sweet Home Chicago or Tennessee Whiskey, is a good musician.
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Well that's your perspective on your level. Noone has command of every skill. However, there are players whose proficiency isn't deficient by their inward standards, or objectively outward by the quality of their music because they've achieved a baseline solid level of playing. Therefor good is not a movable goal.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
But I think it’s also really important to silo performance away from that mentality. Performing should be fun, and always being unsatisfied with performance is a good way to burn out and stop having fun.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
I can speak with authority that the estate of Horace Silver wants serious compensation through Harry Fox or whoever it was for putting his stuff for sale on wax. I think I paid about 70+ bucks for licensing 500 hard copies in 2014, which was a good deal more than some other songs I recorded around that time.
Sweet Home Chicago is one of the few common straight ahead I-IV-V standards I still do. When someone asks for Tennessee Whiskey (way too often) I tell them we's a blues band and we only drink Kentucky Bourbon but thanks for offering to buy us a drink anyways, lol
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Quartal chords are minor chords that fit on the neck well and you can slide them around real easy just like a 9th.
They were in this comping book I worked through.
https://www.amazon.com/Easy-Jazz-Gui...1edcee83ab9907
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Sideways shift: My understanding of licensing fees for recordings (via, say, Harry Fox) is that the compulsory license fee is not set by the composer/rights owner but is fixed according to number of units produced and length of play of the track. Horace Silver was an ASCAP artist, but perhaps it's not Harry Fox that administers his compositions. On the other hand, the statutory/compulsory license fee is currently just over $.09/song, as far as I can tell, independent of what agency is managing the account.
(I haven't had to deal with recordings, but I have had to wrangle PRO fees and rules as a member of our folk society's board.)
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
In a way the gig is beyond my control. It’s easy to fixate on the mistakes. But what is in my control is the practicing before hand, so I record that.
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In general, no, 26 is not too young to get good enough to play jazz in bars. Lots of people have gotten that far with late starts (guilty as charged, your honor), and one does not need to be “great" for that. Pretty good and good at networking/hustling up gigs will suffice. The bandstands of the world are full of people who are nowhere near “great.”
Could the OP achieve that? Or go beyond that and actually become great? That’s up to his innate talent and work ethic, neither of which have been demonstrated on this thread so far. IOW, show us what you got. Maybe you’re already great, who knows?
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by Zlobert98
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Originally Posted by Doug B
If all you play is by yourself (like I was) its like saying you're into BBQ but you've never done a brisket.
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
does that work the other way around too?
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Now, if the blues guy can play "jazzy blues" and the jazzer can play "bluesy jazz", then all is well, you just meet in the middle.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
Being good at one thing doesn't mean you're inherently good at another. The blues is one form of many that jazz musicians should have a grasp on, that doesn't mean you have Freddie King licks for days of the feel of BB King, but you should be able to easily navigate a blues form and play passable solos over it.
A jazz guy being more well rounded than a blues guy is an amateur way of thinking. Things are more complex than that.
I would suggest you watch the Herb Ellis instructional video on youtube, I'm basically parroting what he says.
notating 7/4 and 4/7 chords
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