Where will jazz be in x years.

**ragman1** · 02-09-2024, 10:15 PM

Or we could ask what is jazz now? Damned if I know, something like waves of sound mostly, isn't it?

**Litterick** · 02-10-2024, 04:58 AM

What was jazz then?

“With the belated emergence of jazz from its long-suffered role as the Cinderella of esthetics, and with its gradual acceptance in many previously closed areas, the definition of its nature, always disputed among critics and to some extent among musicians and the public, has become a near-impossibility.”

Leonard Feather, The Book of Jazz: A Guide To The Entire Field (1957)

**rictroll** · 02-12-2024, 08:37 PM

Jazz may be a process or methodology rather than a genre then.

**Litterick** · 02-13-2024, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by rictroll

Jazz may be a process or methodology rather than a genre then.

Yes, or a community of interest. Jazz has lasted so long, and changed so much. It resists definition and its boundaries and difficult to discern. Several of its most important practitioners did not like the name. It hangs together because people in its community want that. Its future is uncertain.

**Kirk Garrett** · 02-13-2024, 09:18 AM

Reminds me of fiction; there used to be “genre fiction” on one hand, and “literary fiction” on the other. These have largely blended and the categories no longer work so well. So maybe jazz will become increasingly retro and diffused at the same time.

**AllanAllen** · 02-13-2024, 10:33 AM

So maybe jazz will become increasingly retro and diffused at the same time

This is the most spot on description I've seen. On one hand we have the swing dancers, vocalists and Django enthusiasts while on the other we have the EDM inspired twist on fusion. All of it is retro to me, but the net is wide. Unlike say, rockabilly which is also retro but it's a very small net of sonic options.

**mr. beaumont** · 02-13-2024, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by rictroll

Jazz may be a process or methodology rather than a genre then.

I think some artists have thought that way for 60+ years!

**emanresu** · 02-13-2024, 04:31 PM

There is no new focal point.

**rictroll** · 02-13-2024, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by emanresu

There is no new focal point.

Has there ever been? Seems like change is always brewing under the flavor of the day.

**Rick5** · 02-22-2024, 07:55 PM

I think a lot of the modern stuff that has a lot of nonfunctional harmony is completely inaccessible to the general public. Yet, you probably can't play every gig like it's 1957 either. What percentage of the (say U.S.) population consider themselves to be serious jazz fans in 2024? Maybe 1.5%?

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**PB+J** · 02-23-2024, 08:30 AM

Split into a "classical" canon and improvising over Dilla beats. Like now. Change is slow

**Christian Miller** · 02-23-2024, 03:21 PM

The end of the Dilla beat period has been reported many times. My undergrad students semi-disparagingly referred to it as ‘cheesy clank’ as far back as 2018….

And yet, it remains a thing. I’m all for it.

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**bediles** · 02-23-2024, 10:36 PM

Crazy that the young undergrads playing at my local were born the year I got Facebook. No wonder they think it's for old people.

Twin Peaks jazz maybe? More Nintendo Jazz? Will Dad jazz (fusion, maybe KR now) make a comeback?

**Stevebol** · 02-25-2024, 10:30 AM

It all used to be called syncopation but I think Sonny Rollins said it best- jazz is a spirit.

**Cunamara** · 02-26-2024, 08:16 PM

I think in 20 years we will be able to dial up any mashed-up jazz we want to hear through AI. For example "hey, Google, play me "Hello Dolly" as a duet between Louis Armstrong and Allan Holdsworth." "hey, Google, let's hear Albert Ayler playing with Blossom Dearie." Or even "hey, Google, let's hear Taylor Swift and John Coltrane play "Lover.""

And without need for those pesky jazz musicians. Indeed, there will be no need for artists at all; or journalists; or scientists; or English teachers; etc. We all be able to live in our own little AI generated bubble without reference to reality.

At which point, curtain.

**emanresu** · 02-26-2024, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Cunamara

I think in 20 years we will be able to dial up any mashed-up jazz we want to hear through AI. For example "hey, Google, play me "Hello Dolly" as a duet between Louis Armstrong and Allan Holdsworth." "hey, Google, let's hear Albert Ayler playing with Blossom Dearie." Or even "hey, Google, let's hear Taylor Swift and John Coltrane play "Lover.""

And without need for those pesky jazz musicians. Indeed, there will be no need for artists at all; or journalists; or scientists; or English teachers; etc. We all be able to live in our own little AI generated bubble without reference to reality.

At which point, curtain.

Yes.

A bit depressive thought.

Btw. You can tell the AI instructions like "play more passing notes"... "same, but a bit laid back".

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We're done. Stop practicing.

**Stevebol** · 02-26-2024, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Cunamara

I think in 20 years we will be able to dial up any mashed-up jazz we want to hear through AI. For example "hey, Google, play me "Hello Dolly" as a duet between Louis Armstrong and Allan Holdsworth." "hey, Google, let's hear Albert Ayler playing with Blossom Dearie." Or even "hey, Google, let's hear Taylor Swift and John Coltrane play "Lover.""

And without need for those pesky jazz musicians. Indeed, there will be no need for artists at all; or journalists; or scientists; or English teachers; etc. We all be able to live in our own little AI generated bubble without reference to reality.

At which point, curtain.

It could be a lot sooner than 20 years the way A.I. is going. A lot of that can be done now.