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Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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04-28-2023 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by David B
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
In New York, that list would include musicians like Chris Byars, Sacha Perry, Zaid Nasser, John Mosca, Stefano Doglioni, Ari Roland, Keith Balla, Stefan Schatz, Richard Clements.
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
"Standing on the shoulders of Giants" or "Standing on the toes of Giants", depending on your ability.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
So the way I see it...I don't even think the guys who played bebop--the inventors--really called it that, right? It was just their own thing. The name wasn't important then. It was a club, a small group of people, a short period of time...and it changed everything about this music we love. Everything that came after (assuming it wasn't a throwback to before) is because of this phenomenon. It was this little, pure, beautiful, artistic thing...these guys were getting bored with the commercialization, essentially, of what they did...so they did something new. Something only they could do. It was DIY. It was punk before punk. It was counterculture. I hear the word bebop now and it's that time, and that place. Did these players know what they were doing was going to change everything? I doubt it. But it did. Some say it "ruined" jazz. Lol.
So yeah, I can play a bebop lick. I can play a bebop head. But play bebop? Nah. That existed in the air, and then it was gone. But what it left us...wow. What it left us.
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Originally Posted by kris
I love hearing him with a bop rhythm section, even though his dialect is decidedly Django.
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I think we should go back to calling it Rebop
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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I suppose if bebop is gone, I can't be hep. But if bop is possible, can I be hip? Or does that already age me out of whatever has replaced "hip?" (Sick? Dope?) What do I know--I'm Old, along with numerous other categorical disqualifications.
And Django was unmistakeably reacting to bop or whatever the Europeans were calling that twitchy American stuff back then.
Vout-o-Reenee, y'all.
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
I think for people who don’t listen to prewar jazz it can be hard to guage how much Parker influenced absolutely everyone. We all still live in his shadow pretty much. People might think they are playing fusion, post-modal whatever, but they are still using the rhythmic vocabulary of Parker. It goes before everything.
And the rhythm section too…. hear a ride cymbal? That’s bop. Hear a bass walking smoothly in four? That’s bop.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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You're perhaps overthinking it.
This is what happens when you only play rhythm guitar for a month. Very dangerous.
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Nah, I've got a short attention span. I'm physically incapable of overthinking anything. Look, a squirrel!
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Originally Posted by John A.
TBH - I have heard some dissenting accounts. I think Gene Krupa recalled Zutty Singleton riding the cymbal as early as the 20s (IIRC) but a purpose built sustaining ride cymbal didn't really appear until the late 30s earliest.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Bebop might be like Beat or Noir: artistic styles with names that reflect the whole culture in which they were birthed.
No matter how hard you try, you'll never write Beat poetry or the next On the Road. For that matter, unless you've read On the Road in the last few months, you probably can't even describe "Beat."
You could make a movie in Black & White, with super high contrast, backlit cigarette smoke, and clipped, machine-gun dialog, but it won't be "Noir." At least, not un-ironic Noir.
And you could play all of the 16th notes there are, but without the suits, skinny ties, Lucky Strikes, Dewar's, cocaine, thigh-high slit dresses, and an odd postwar combination of depression and optimism, maybe it isn't Bebop.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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he probably did that too.
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I would say everyone and no one.
Everyone : you can't ignore it.
One day someone asked me what I was listening to.
I said I liked cool players, and they said no one were cool but all were boppers.
No one : they all died !
Every respectable player has got a bop culture.
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Is there any jazz club where musicians only play be-bop?
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