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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I like his overall passion for music.
He might not be 100% 'right' all the time but who is?
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06-19-2021 02:42 PM
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There are legitimate uses for such a tool, and likewise abuses. It would be good if everyone was scrupulous about respecting the intellectual property rights of their fellow artists; but don't hold your breath. Many a Faustian bargain is struck on the stairway to the stars. Jimi Hendrix died with less than $40 in his bank account, after having generated millions in economic activity. People don't always have their hands out; they are too frequently already in your pocket. Always have your lawyer and your accountant read and explain the fine print. Handshake deals were fine when there was still honor in the world. As for now, get it in writing. In triplicate.
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Christian Miller, why would I waste time on on a Rick Beato video? In the words of Marty McFly:
As an educator, I would stay clean of an asshole like him. Too bad he's the face of music theory for so many on Youtube.
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Originally Posted by PickingMyEars
I like his non-intellectual approach.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
That was pretty funny.
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
He loves music, he's done his homework, he can play (and record/engineer/produce), and he speaks his mind. Comes off as loud and pushy, which doesn't appeal to me, but it doesn't keep me from listening if I think I can learn something. (This video--about AutoTune--doesn't interest me much and I wouldn't have watched it but for this thread.)
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If he wants to badmouth music teachers country wide, I can bad mouth his pompous ass.
It's almost as if it was always en vogue to crap on teachers, no matter what the malady. I wish we had that reach. Quite frankly, if that's the case--I want to be paid a politicians salary to do my teaching gig.
I thought he'd be smarter than that, is all. I thought he'd wise up, since he has two amazing kids of his own (no sarcasm, his kids have talent).
There's a bunch of Youtubers in his circle that aren't as egotistical as him.
Anyway, I've already wasted enough time talking about him. There's a video where he talks about music ed that ruined him, in my eyes. Look it up, Stevebol. I'm not. Gave him enough publicity with my own venting
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Originally Posted by DavidKOS
As for autotune, I've sung my fair share of lead vocals in bands. I was not first chair quality, but I did a decent job. Why? Because having been in glee club in school, I learned the need to try to stay in pitch. It seems too many singers nowadays, are more concerned with "being the star of the band", than they are with singing decently ("too hard to do"), and as a result, autotune has become a crutch (especially since you can also use it live). Unfortunately, like too much compression on guitar, it has a tendency to make everybody sound the same.
Unfortunately, people like Neil Degrasse-Tyson having a video about how "autotune is so great" doesn't help things.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
I actually like California. I ran into trouble in Japan getting tight with the mafia.
Everyone should live in Las Vegas for 4 months. It gets old after 3. I can't wait to get out of here when my lease runs out next April. I'm off to California. I'll be on Medicare in a year and a 1/2 and that will save me $730 a month.
No more music business for me.
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I really enjoy this forum. It makes me feel young.
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
Last edited by Christian Miller; 06-20-2021 at 03:24 AM.
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Originally Posted by PickingMyEars
Music theory does well on YouTube because it appeals to a certain type of person who can’t actually do music very well, but wants to believe they have some inside knowledge. (trust me, I should know haha.)
So when a daddy figure comes along and tells them Nirvana is great because they use upper extensions on the chords and that this constitutes ‘incredibly great melody writing’ they lap it up. There’s always a market for people having their opinions confirmed with some convincing sounding justification. People have been selling music theory classes that way since the 19th century.
Anyway Beato himself is a little bit more interesting than that stereotype. I think he’s found a brand and is flogging it.Last edited by Christian Miller; 06-20-2021 at 03:23 AM.
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Autotune solves the problem of the performer who looks good but cannot sing. In our video-saturated age, appearance makes the performer bankable, but the media corporation that owns him still needs a product to sell: a song. Autotune conceals the deficencies. The producers do the rest of the work.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Got it.
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
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"Many a Faustian bargain is struck on the stairway to the stars." citizenk74
Five Star quote of the day!
Play live . . . Marinero
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Can not imagine George Benson's vocal with autotune. (or Al Jarreau, or Bobby McFerrin). Yes I know they obviously do not need it, but this does not mean they on pitch, every notes all duration. The diverge from the pitch (wait, what pitch, the well tempered?) many times intentionally in they phrasing, which is part of their artistic expression, with bend, and other nuances.
If a performance needs to be pitch corrected, then how can we assume the singer has such a control on nuances, what shoud be the essence of the music, and her/his style and message. Those nuances could be there, even the main pitches are not fully correct, but who cares? Gary Peacock is terribly out of pitch from the beginning (at least compared to for example Charlie Haden), but who cares? Terribly bad idea to pitch correct him. Also Coltrane has many recordings with painfully out of pitch notes.
so if a performance is pitch corrected that at least raises doubts what are we listening, music or a product?
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last word is from Elton John 0.52
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Originally Posted by TOMMO
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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I am giving him credit for being endorsed by Joni Mitchell.
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Originally Posted by TOMMO
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by Gabor
Anyone who has played in a string or horn section, or sang in a choir, will know that pitch phase lock is extremely undesirable. Even on the piano each key's hammer strikes multiple strings which are strictly not exactly in tune with each other, on purpose. The interference produces a desired slow phase cycle that allows the tone of the note to express a tone shape, or "profile" through its duration.
Autotune is based on a fundamental misunderstanding, failing to grasp that music is intrinsically an art comprised of the substance of illusion. Misguided perfection doesn't support illusion.
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