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I believe Eastman now owns controlling interests in Dana Bourgeois Guitars, S.E. Shires (brasswinds) and Backun (woodwinds.)
The guys who started these outfits are not youngsters so it is understandable.
Still, the corporatization of every little thing...
Just wanted to share this; do with it as you please.
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12-01-2020 05:39 PM
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That sucks because Bourgeois is an American icon. It’s like the Japanese buying up Hollywood all over again.
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from Dana's website:
Bourgeois / Eastman Collaboration Update - Bourgeois Guitars
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First off Eastman has owned S.E. Shires since 2014. Eastman was started as a small company that has grown into a large company that has frankly saved some of these companies and luthiers from insolvency or at the minimum enhanced their brand. The latest from Dana Bourgeois is linked below. Dana Bourgeois folded in 1999. Too bad Eastman was around then. Not every corporation is an evil entity. RAMJAC... really..take off your tinfoil hat.
Live from Bourgeois Guitars: October 2020 - Bourgeois Guitars
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Name-calling as a first response.
Very good, Taft.
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Small business is a nice notion but often not a very efficient application of resources in a competitive world. I don't know how it is being under the Eastman umbrella for these companies but I like having more consumer choices. And they obviously chose to go with Eastman so I have to believe the terms were something they favored. Not sure why this is being raised as if it were some sort of concern.
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Originally Posted by rabbit
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Originally Posted by ronjazz
Two ad hominem attacks, the second defending the first.
Boy, I'm going to have to think fast to stay ahead of you guys.
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The thread is a baseless attack to begin with.
You get what you ask for.
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Originally Posted by guido5
I would describe my original post as a saddened observation of three fine,
independent North American instrument makers passing into corporate ownership.
Not simply 'corporate' but an outfit that is a minion for the Communist Chinese Party.
Be reminded that all communism is, always and ever, openly and aggressively committed
to ultimate monopolization.
You fellas are fine with this.Last edited by rabbit; 12-04-2020 at 07:09 AM.
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re RAMJAC, maybe you should have put a smiley emoticon after that acronym to avoid serious presumptions.
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There are newly employed luthiers who can't keep up with the new orders in Lewiston ME who thank Eastman for their jobs. I'll bet a lot of ex-Gibson employees who would have jumped for joy had the opportunity been extended before they lost their jobs.
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Originally Posted by rabbit
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Originally Posted by rabbit
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I'm so grateful for the "Ignore Thread" feature.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
Even so, it's hard to let "American icon" pass without note. Donald Trump, Kamala Harris and Jimi Hendrix are American icons -- they're on t-shirts all over the world. Dana builds nice guitars but you wouldn't recognize him in line at the ice cream stand.
Originally Posted by guido5
I've known people who worked on the line at CF Martin, Ovation, Bourgeois and Upton Bass, consulting luthiers for Martin and Gibson, and a bunch of solo luthiers. At the time I followed this stuff almost no-one working line jobs in guitar factories was able to scratch-build a guitar. For example, in the early 80s AFAIK the only two people employed by CF Martin who could scratch-build a guitar alone were Dick Boak and the pattern-maker (Donald Deck??). Maybe I'm wrong and folks will correct me. Maybe things have changed. But based on that I conclude that almost all guitar-factory jobs were . . . factory jobs.
In contrast, a bunch of people who did line work for Dana Bourgeois scratch-build mighty fine guitars -- a short list includes names like Chuck Thornton, Joel Eckhaus, Steve Ryder, John Slobod and Laurent Brondel. (And that doesn't count his three 'basement-era' apprentices, TJ Thompson, Tom Williamson and Ted Scheips.) Maybe that's why Bourgeois-brand factory guitars were so sweet. But I don't assume that moving from finish-sanding necks hot off the CNC machine all week for Gibson Nashville to working in Dana's shop would always be a smooth transition.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
would be deeply offensive if I could imagine you really meant this. I can't imagine this.
My original post was innocuous enough.
I'm attacked here because of who I am considered to be, not really for what I first said.
Unless you correct me, my take on this is: "Woody just missed the point here,"
not "Woody is okay with this bullxxxt."
Last edited by rabbit; 12-05-2020 at 04:12 AM.
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Originally Posted by rob taft
While you are checking it out (first link) bear in mind that Apple has $191.83 Billion in cash reserves laying around (second link.)
Ya' know, a Corporation can't be too careful to protect it's profits:
Nike, Coca-Cola, Apple lobbied to weaken Uighur labor bill: report - Business Insider
Apple Cash Reserve by Quarter: FY Q1 1995 to Q4 2020 - DazeinfoLast edited by rabbit; 12-05-2020 at 04:20 AM.
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ronjazz,
Thanks for everything good buddy, love ya!
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Steve Shires is making french horns in Vermont these days.
HeadRush?
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