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As far as music where I focus on the role of the guitar rock/fusion are the genres. In solo instrument classic music the piano is my preference - and of course Evelyn Glennie on anything. When it comes to jazz my preference at the momemnt is bass. Upright or electric.
But I like to play the so called standards on guitar.
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11-13-2020 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by teeps
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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Originally Posted by teeps
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Originally Posted by arielcee
If I listen to too much jazz guitar, my musical mind gets congested. My playing is already naturally bombarded with ideas, the well is never dry. I think a large part of that congestion is rejecting the "guitary" stuff (in the sense that consistently Charlie, Django, and Wes avoid sounding so). Most of my ideas these days come from listening to trumpet players, old Miles.
We know the path to learning some facility on the guitar is one thing; the path back undoing the "guitary" sound is different and I think one has to eventually somewhat step away from guitar immersion.
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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I guess my problem then, and the thing that's holding me back, is that I just crazy-love the guitar. I dream about it. When I'm repairing fences, building stone walls in my pasture, stacking bales of hay, whatever, I have guitar music playing in my mind.
Is it okay to unashamedly love the guitar or does that disqualify me as a jazz musician? It almost seems like it's "hip" for guitarists to dislike their chosen instrument. I don't care. I love this thing. It'll be the death of me, or insanity, but I love it. God help me, I love it.
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Originally Posted by teeps
With recordings, I'm less of a fan, but there are some duos or trios where the bass is fully a partner instead of just keeping-time that I enjoy. E.g. NHOP and Catherine, The Poll Winners , etc...
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I don't think it's unusual to listen more to other instruments than the one you play. In fact, it is probably a good idea because other instruments may open up possibilities you didn't consider on the guitar. On the other hand, being fully conversant with the range of the guitar, ie playing guitaristically, means you become thoroughly familiar with and hopefully competent at playing it. When I listened to a lot to jazz (many moons ago), it was exclusively to guitarists. I wanted to know what was possible on the guitar. I wanted to sound like a guitar player, not like a guitar player imitating a saxophone player. But that is just me. When there weren't many jazz guitarists around, I suppose you had to listen to other instruments. But then that space was filled by so many amazing players that the guitar won a spot in the jazz limelight. Now, nobody ignores us.
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I guess one reason I can really dig Grant Green is he just does what he does. It doesn't sound pretentious, doesn't do anything but make good music. At least to my ears. It seems like so many guitar players are trying to do fancy, flashy, complex stuff which can be cool but for me it loses some of the music aspect. Grant can get boring too, but he sticks to his guns and stands out in the end.
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The reason i started playing guitar was not jazz. The reason I like jazz, was not the guitar.
If i look at my favourite jazz-musicians there is one guitar-player that stands out: Pat Metheny. And that is because of his outstanding capabilities as a guitar-player, but especially because he writes great music. With or without the guitar.
Among my favourite jazz-musicians are sax players, pianists, trumpet players. Brecker, Corea, Davis, Snarky Puppy, Hancock, Terence Blanchard, Kamasi Washington, Tomasz Sta?ko to name a few.
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Everybody secretly wants to be a guitarist.
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Elvin Jones couldn’t keep his hands off the guitar, here he is playing it:
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Milt Jackson had a go on the guitar too:
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Let's face it, when it comes to playing or listening to an instrument, the piano is limitless. It's the cats meow. And it never gets boring. Or, Freddie Hubbard on Flugel, or Dexter Gordon on sax, who never runs out of ideas.
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by arielcee
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by Matt Milton
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
I tire of piano after about 15 minutes. Peterson is astounding. But after 10 minutes you've heard all he's got because he put it all out there in the first tune. He uses his entire vocabulary on every single chorus because the piano invites it. Maybe I like Bill Evans more.
So no, I don't like piano enough to spend a lot of time listening to piano-centric music.
If it's blasphemy, then stone me.
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
And yes, this is a GUITAR forum, so naturally we generally prefer the guitar. I certainly do. I also think it's pathological to devote lots of time and energy to one instrument and then go around saying one really doesn't care much for that instrument and really would rather be playing some other instrument.
I find pianists to be some of the most technically advanced, but musically messed up people. They think the ensemble revolves around them. Like the drunk uncle at thanksgiving who won't stop talking.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
But this could be a guitar-player listening to a piano player. When I listen to a guitar player it's easier to hear differences, because I know the instrument better. I recognize some sax players but most of the time I hear a sax player.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
I've heard this complaint about pianists who play to loud. But I don't know pro pianists who play with issues. And there's hundreds of them. I can't imagine not listening to Keith Jarrett over and over again. His beauty is beyond reproach. Or Gene Harris, whose timing and rhythm are nothing but perfection. But what the heck, I'm biased for piano. It's the most beautiful instrument ever created.
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