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Originally Posted by PaulW10
On 3/4 time, I have also found there are some tunes that really help to get 3/4 as a more jazz/swing feel. Miles Davis' "All Blues" is one of them.
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05-14-2018 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Originally Posted by PaulW10
I think all this talk about "folk" is misleading and unhelpful. What the song is, is POP. That the movie has a lady sing it with a guitar was staging. The under-structure is the kind of more-sophisticated pop we had in the 60's and 70's. Think Andy Williams, the Rat-Pack, middle-term Sinatra. "Strangers in the Night," "New York, New York," "Unforgettable" "Something Stupid like I Love You," etc. A bit late to be the kind of pop music that supplied all the jazz standards, but still not folk, rock, or novelty. It was grown up music for a generation about my parents' age, the WW2 generation.
A lot of those songs have unusual changes and are hard to improvise on because they don't fall back into the standard harmonic sequences we jazz players get used to. Jimmy Webb's tunes are similar. It's hard to improvise on "Wichita Lineman" (though I've heard it), "Galveston," or "McArthur Park." It's high pop, and a different bag.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
I see Moon River and songs from that era and before being written by a composer at a piano first finding a melody and then adding lyrics (or vice versa), and then finding harmonies, and then later adding the rhythm.
The emphasis on melody in the song is why earlier songs seem to work better for solo guitar than what came later. Always exceptions of course!
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Playing in 3/4 is harder generally because we don't DO it as much. If you have to count it , you're not going to be able to solo over it etc. It's not just arbitrary number of beats either. There are patterns and feels which aren't obvious without shedding a good bit in 3.
I'm worse in 3 than 4 . Don't think there's any way around that, but I'm much worse in 5. :-)
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
John
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
John
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
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Looking through my library and youtube, it seems few people take a chasing-the-changes approach to improvising over this tune. I think that’s because it’s such a melody-driven tune. Improvisation works best as playing around with the melody and harmony, but generally not creating an altogether new melody over the changes. Brad Mehldau seems to take the improvisation further than anybody, followed by Bill Frisell.
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Hi guys .Playin some takes but I didn't like it
Hellish rubato and other shit.Whatever.
Always remember Frisell with Holland and Elvin.
What a piece.The Album itself.Shut up.
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