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  1. #101
    Bryant just posted some new pics today of finished guitars for those interested.

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    WOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolvinny
    Not yet. Bryant is waiting for an order of KA 12-pole floating humbuckers to arrive. Hopefully soon...
    The KA 12-pole floater has finally landed with Bryant after a long journey from the US. Sounds like I'll have my Jazz Special in about 10 - 12 days. I've been playing acoustic duo jams in a local park with a 7-string nylon player I know for the past few weeks...I'm very curious about whether this laminate/floater Trenier will be loud enough to hang in that sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolvinny
    The KA 12-pole floater has finally landed with Bryant after a long journey from the US. Sounds like I'll have my Jazz Special in about 10 - 12 days. I've been playing acoustic duo jams in a local park with a 7-string nylon player I know for the past few weeks...I'm very curious about whether this laminate/floater Trenier will be loud enough to hang in that sort of thing.
    That will largely depend on the string gauge, the action and the strength of your picking hand - I've had the tailpiece on mine down low for the most string-pressure on the bridge and with a set of 013's the guitar cut surprisingly well ! It was not a "pretty" sound but certainly loud enough for comping in an acoustic 4-tet setting with bass, sax and trumpet. After a few gigs with that setup I decided to return to a more mellow sounding setup, changed strings to halfrounds, raised the tailpiece to a bit more than halfway up and struck a working compromise. It's astounding how a small change in the tailpiece has a profound effect on the tone of the guitar.... you'll have a great time finding all that out ! Prepare for many string changes over the next few weeks ....

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    Thanks Gitman...but to clarify did you mean the tailpiece or the bridge? I've never heard of a tailpiece that can be adjusted but if so then this will be an interesting novelty for me to explore.

    I usually get a pretty big sound of the instrument due to my pick angle (basically perpendicular, not angled) and my choice of pick (Blue Chip KS60 with unbeveled edges), however for strings I plan to use 12 gauge nickel roundwounds (D'Addario or equivalent) but with a 13/17 for the treble strings, at least to start. If I don't like those I'll probably try TI Bebop 13's.

    FWIW apparently my Jazz Special, compared to past "acoustic" versions of this model, is a bit quieter but a bit sweeter sounding, in part due to the spruce lam top. Also mine might have a slightly shallower body depth than is "standard" on this model, so that will obviously mean a bit less volume.

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    Like on my (long gone, sadly) Borys B120 the tailpiece is secured with one larger screw (> strappin) and 2 small one to the left and right. The screw-slots in the tailpiece-hinge are about 1/2" long so you can slide it up or down.
    I chose the lam-top Jazz-Special with a floater as opposed to a built-in pickup to come closer to a working compromise between size, acoustic potential and a more or less classic electric tone.
    In some situations I need to play unplugged so the acoustic volume is not a minor issue. I'm talking about pounding out straight 4/4's on standard swing tunes etc., not about taking any solo's.
    Medium gauge flats will obviously not bring out the brilliance and cutting power compared to roundwounds and therefor the guitar won't perform optimally when not amplified. If this scenario is absent in your case then you have much more wiggle-room !

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    My very special Jazz Special will soon be with me: Trenier Guitars - Home | Facebook - obviously I'm very excited. Will I keep my 2016 Motif and this 2020 Jazz Special? Only time will tell...I'll need to live with them both for a while.

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  9. #108
    Coolvinny,
    I just looked at the pics of your finished guitar and its gorgeous. It will sound like nothing you’ve ever played. I own a Trenier Jazz electric and the tone and playability will inspire you to play things you’ve never tried. The unplugged acoustic quality of this model is just so impressive - unlike most laminates.
    I own some very nice instruments and my Trenier Jazz electric is the best laminate I’ve ever played.
    Looking forward to your NGD.
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  10. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolvinny
    My very special Jazz Special will soon be with me: Trenier Guitars - Home | Facebook - obviously I'm very excited. Will I keep my 2016 Motif and this 2020 Jazz Special? Only time will tell...I'll need to live with them both for a while.

    Trenier Guitars - Trenier Guitars added a new photo — in... | Facebook
    What a gorgeous guitar. I'm sure it will sound as great as it looks. Look forward to hearing your thoughts when it arrives!

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    Thanks all, I think it will be a really versatile jazzbox. Aesthetically it's perfect to my eyes and I've no doubt that it will sound great. I just hope I find it comfortable to play while standing and that it's loud enough to hang in casual unplugged jams.

    Now actually shipped and on its way to me! DHL, please be careful !
    Might be staycation time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolvinny
    Thanks all, I think it will be a really versatile jazzbox. Aesthetically it's perfect to my eyes and I've no doubt that it will sound great. I just hope I find it comfortable to play while standing and that it's loud enough to hang in casual unplugged jams.

    Now actually shipped and on its way to me! DHL, please be careful !
    Might be staycation time soon.
    Wow, you’ve a Trenier enroute? You’re so very fortunate!

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    She's due to arrive today. Overdue, really, given it took 2 days to travel incredible distance from France to Vancouver and now it's taking 5 days to finally clear customs. The tax bill wasn't as bad as I thought so that's a bonus.

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    Must be like a first date with the girl of your dreams, waiting for her to come to the door! What a kick. Enjoy!

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    Wow, I just realized that I ordered this guitar in October 2017. Three years ago! So much has happened since then.

    Guitar received and is generally awesome. Still getting to know her. Changed some strings last night but couldn't get the low E from a TI Bebop 13 set to fit, so I put a DA 52 on there for that one string.

    Early impressions are that the 2.5" body depth (he may have customized this for me, as I think most others are 2.75" or 3") is extremely comfortable sitting or standing but still with very good bass response especially from the low E. It sounds WAY bigger than my HB equipped Collings Eastside Jazz LC (15 x 1 11/16 body dimensions), at least through a small amp (Mambo 8). I have always said that one advantage of larger guitars is that you can get a big sound through a small amp.

    Is it loud enough to jam unplugged with another player? Perhaps barely, but not outdoors like in a park. Some of that is likely due to the 2.5" body depth. But definitely loud enough to practice on even in a large room with less sound reinforcement; not far off a few carved guitars I've played and louder than some with mounted pickups.

    The rosewood binding is awesome.

    It is a compact do-it-all jazzbox.

  16. #115
    Coolvinny,
    Glad it arrived safely. It’s amazing how much unplugged volume Bryant gets out of his laminate builds. I just love mine- and the more I play it - the more I appreciate what it has to offer.

    Wishing you many hours of enjoyment

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    Thanks QAman, so far I'm very happy.

    Question to you and the other Jazz Special owners: what is the rim to rim depth on your Jazz Specials? I'm pretty sure most are 2.75". From Bryant's recently completed pics there were a few that appeared to be around 3". I think his "standard" is 2.75". Again, I love the fact that mine is 2.5" since I mostly practice and play standing but I know I'm in the minority there...most guitarists play while seated.

  18. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by coolvinny
    Thanks QAman, so far I'm very happy.

    Question to you and the other Jazz Special owners: what is the rim to rim depth on your Jazz Specials? I'm pretty sure most are 2.75". From Bryant's recently completed pics there were a few that appeared to be around 3". I think his "standard" is 2.75". Again, I love the fact that mine is 2.5" since I mostly practice and play standing but I know I'm in the minority there...most guitarists play while seated.
    Glad your happy - it’s a one of a kind jazz laminate. I’m out of town right now , but when I’m back home Saturday I’ll take some measurements and let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
    Mine's a comfy 2.75....
    Thanks, that's what I thought. It was a conscious trade-off I made for added standing comfort, and the slimmer body depth is one reason I finally decided on the floating pickup.

    Pics will follow. Life is busy right now. It looks incredible. Even the neck binding has burst...never seen that before! I'm hoping to plug it into my 12" open back tonight for a few minutes and cause some trouble.

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    Wait a minute. Are you saying it was over a 3 year wait for this guitar? Is Bryant that backed up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
    Wait a minute. Are you saying it was over a 3 year wait for this guitar? Is Bryant that backed up?
    3 years less a month, but it was always scheduled for 2020 delivery. Just turned out to be September (would have been July without the KA pickup delivery issue) instead of January. But yes, Bryant is very busy and that's why he closed his order book for now.

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    I believe that Bryant closed his order book about a year ago to 1) dig out of his current order book and 2) to take some time to execute some house renovations to his place in Uzes. My guitar (17” Artifex) from Bryant was ordered in November 2017 and delivered in April 2019 (about 17-months).

  23. #122
    Coolvinny,
    I just measured my Trenier Jazz electric and the body depth measures 2-5/8( 2.625).

    For a laminate, I find the shallower body depth better for note definition and warmth, especially with Bryants light weight laminates - they deliver a creamy warm tone.
    These guitars are like nothing else on the market- they have a unique sensitivity.
    I wound imagine your 2-1/2 sounds wonderful.

    Hope your enjoying the guitar. Would love to hear your impressions after you’ve had it for a few days.

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    Thanks for that intel QAman. Seems like his Jazz Specials have historically ranged from 2 5/8” to around 3”. Mine is 2.5” and just very slightly (like 1/16”) less than that in a few spots.

    The guitar is settling in nicely. The neck is a little deeper than the slimmer necks of my Collings (which has their 60’s specs rather than their far more common 50’s profile) and my Trenier Motif, and the 25” scale is the longest I’ve had in years for a guitar I play standing up. Add in new strings (TI Bebop 13’s) and it took me a few days to get comfortable.

    Happy to report that the acoustic volume is totally sufficient for satisfying outdoor play. In fact it was so satisfying that I practiced for an hour in a park yesterday. Sure I’d get drowned out by a 17” carved top if that player was picking hard, but I could jam duo with someone outdoors under sensible conditions.

    Acoustically vs my carved 16” (maybe 16.25) x 3” Trenier Motif, the Jazz Special is of course quieter and not as sweet, but still has that nice Trenier sustain. I don’t know how he does it. They sound more similar than different which is pretty amazing given the laminate construction, 0.5” reduced body depth and approx 0.125 to 0.25” reduced bout width.

    My 12” open back is on the fritz so I can’t report on how it sounds through that yet, but through my Henriksen Blu I’m surprised by the acoustic sound also coming through the amp (in a good way, with a bit of a carved top vibe). I didn’t get that with my Andersen Lam Vanguard and when I A/B with my Collings Eastside Jazz (humbucker) I don’t get that either. Probably a combination of the non-routed top and the KA pickup.

    Through the amp it sounds best with the volume around 7 and the tone around 8. Again I think this is due to the floating pickup being closer to the strings vs a routed pickup.

    Amazing guitar.

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    Coolvinny,
    Im glad your experiencing the sustain element common to every Trenier. Its the result of perfectly fitting internal braces, proper neck angle and his bridge set up.
    You were right on the money with your statement regarding the acoustic vibe coming through the amp, this is what I love about my Trenier jazz electric.

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    ...update, I was able to "fix" my 12" open back with some well placed smacks (seems that some internal wiring is loose). Wow, the Jazz Special sounds incredible through it. This is the original (prototype actually) Henriksen/Sound Island Alfresco 12" with the older 112 electronics and Weber Black Shuck speaker; it was Michael Biller's demo amp that he sold to me a few years ago. I'm still getting that acoustic vibe through the amp at reasonable volumes yet it still sounds electric and fat. I'm not getting any of that anemic floater tone that sometimes occurs.

    The guitar is extremely feedback resistant, I must say!

    Also I turned the reverb completely off for all my demoing...it didn't need any reverb to sound great.

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    I've been intrigued by Trenier since I saw a Broadway on archtop.com. I've never seen any luthier take inspiration from Epiphone. They mostly go Gibson, John D, or Jimmy D.

    I was also shocked at how alive the guitars sound. I was watching some videos on my phone and they sounded plugged in. Crazy.

    If I was commissioning something, I'd order a 17" Broadway that leaned closer to Epi than Gibson in details and appointments.

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    ...I used the Trenier Jazz Special 2.5" depth laminate/floater jamming with bass, drums, another guitar (16 x 3 Eastman carved) and piano tonight. Felt like I was playing a lam/mounted pickup guitar...in a good way, i.e. the electric tone was plenty fat and robust.

    When I got home, I took it out of the case and practiced unplugged, then hung it on the wall. The strings have quite a few hours on them now and yet the unplugged tone is still very nice.

    Pleased to say the reduced depth/laminate/floater experiment has worked out beautifully so far.

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    For those interested - Bryant just updated his Facebook page with pics of a current Jazz electric build. You can see the vacuum process used on the gorgeous quilted maple back laminate.

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    Just posted a thread over in the showcase forum of an original tune, playing my Trenier. Thought it might be appreciated here!





    Original Tune - quarantine blues

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    I got on Bryant's list last week for a Jazz Special.
    Last edited by David B; 04-07-2021 at 07:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David B
    I got on Bryant's list for last week for a Jazz Electric.
    Dave,
    Smart move - his Jazz electrics are quite extraordinary and gaining recognition rapidly.


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    Dave, it'll be a nice companion for your Moffa!

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    You can watch a Trenier in great hands tomorrow, as my friend Nick Costley-White performs in a live-stream show tomorrow at 5pm GMT with pianist/organist Sam Leak's organ trio 'Little Green Men', performing a set influenced by Larry Golding's classic album 'Light Blue'.

    This show is part of the London Jazz Festival taking place (online) this week.

    Nick's a great player and I've shared a few clips of his playing in this thread.

    There's a £10 recommended donation.

    LINK: EFG London Jazz Festival 2020 – Oliver's Jazz Bar

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    Quote Originally Posted by David B
    I got on Bryant's list last week for a Jazz Electric.
    David, you're going to love it! Although I received mine in August I didn't have much time to play it before determining it needed a set-up to accommodate my preferred strings (TI Bebop 13's), which took 2 weeks, and then I wanted to screw the KA floater vs. the epoxy so that took another 2 weeks...so it's only finally been in my hands and tip-top for about about a week now. It's really incredible. The acoustic tone of this 2.5" x sub 16" (just slightly under 16") laminate guitar is blowing my mind, and with the KA now firmly attached I swear it sounded more robust through the amp (Mambo head into RE NY8) when I jammed with some guys last week. Not sure if you're going with a floater or a floating pickup (Pasquale has a floater on his right?) but I'd suggest you keep your mind open to both options, depending on your objectives.

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    Vinny,
    I'll admit that it was your guitar that tipped me over the edge!
    I have a few design features that I've put to Bryant. My current plan is for a floating pickup, possibly a DeArmond FHC (inspired by our own Omphalospsychos and his guitar).

    Bryant has a number of carved guitars up next so it may be a while before he gets around to another batch of laminates.
    Last edited by David B; 11-23-2020 at 06:55 PM.

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    Haha, happy to have contributed to your decision! Personally I think the floater will give you a more versatile instrument, but both floater and mounted are solid options. Feedback resistance with my 2.5" deep floater has been very good so far (better than a thinline carved Eastman I once had).

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    A Skylark morning :
    I've known this song for ages - first heard it on a Singers Unlimited record, later the Linda Ronstadt/Nelson Riddle version - but have never really played it.... in "G" it's not that hard and there are plenty of open strings that help making the chords sound full. The guitar is strung with medium Thomastik roundwounds, going into the "Polytone" pedal into my GLB 50 amp (40 watt all tube/1x12"). Added a touch of reverb and eq in Logic. That guitar is so easy to play and the honeymoon now goes into the 3rd year....

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    Beautifuly played, with such sweet tone! Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitman
    A Skylark morning :
    I've known this song for ages - first heard it on a Singers Unlimited record, later the Linda Ronstadt/Nelson Riddle version - but have never really played it.... in "G" it's not that hard and there are plenty of open strings that help making the chords sound full. The guitar is strung with medium Thomastik roundwounds, going into the "Polytone" pedal into my GLB 50 amp (40 watt all tube/1x12"). Added a touch of reverb and eq in Logic. That guitar is so easy to play and the honeymoon now goes into the 3rd year....
    Beautifully played on a beautiful guitar! Thanks for sharing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitman
    A Skylark morning :
    I've known this song for ages - first heard it on a Singers Unlimited record, later the Linda Ronstadt/Nelson Riddle version - but have never really played it.... in "G" it's not that hard and there are plenty of open strings that help making the chords sound full. The guitar is strung with medium Thomastik roundwounds, going into the "Polytone" pedal into my GLB 50 amp (40 watt all tube/1x12"). Added a touch of reverb and eq in Logic. That guitar is so easy to play and the honeymoon now goes into the 3rd year....

    Wow!! Beautiful performance and guitar. Thanks for sharing and help to wait on my jazz special in progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fal Tarlow
    Wow!! Beautiful performance and guitar. Thanks for sharing and help to wait on my jazz special in progress.
    Nice! What specs are in the works for yours? My guitar buying days are over until at least 2030 (the pact I made with myself when I bought my Slaman Pauletta in late 2019 while my Trenier Jazz Special was still in the pipilene...) so now I have to live vicariously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolvinny
    Nice! What specs are in the works for yours? My guitar buying days are over until at least 2030 (the pact I made with myself when I bought my Slaman Pauletta in late 2019 while my Trenier Jazz Special was still in the pipilene...) so now I have to live vicariously.
    Hello Coolvinny,

    Bryant is under a lot of pressure in line with huge interest for his masterpiece. He will soon start with work on my Jazz Special with 25" scale, vintage, dark, sunburst and CC floating (Pete Biltoft). This waiting period is worse than the covid pandemic, but we will survive it all.
    I'm archtop guy but Paulleta is very interesting choice. Are you satisfied?
    Last edited by Fal Tarlow; 11-26-2020 at 06:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fal Tarlow
    Hello Coolvinny,

    Bryant is under a lot of pressure in line with huge interest for his masterpiece. He will soon start with work on my Jazz Special with 25" scale, vintage, dark, sunburst and CC floating (Pete Biltoft). This waiting period is worse than the covid pandemic, but we will survive it all.
    I'm archtop guy but Paulleta is very interesting choice. Are you satisfied?
    Another Jazz Special with floater! That's great to hear. The video of "Out of Nowhere" Bryant posted of my Jazz Special played acoustically doesn't even come close to doing justice to its acoustic tone now that it's settled in and has TI Bebop 13's on it (I use a thick unbeveled Blue Chip KS60 pick FYI...to me it gets the best acoustic tone out of any guitar). Not even close. You'll love the guitar

    As for the Pauletta, yes I'm totally satisfied with it. While I could do without the functionality of the bridge pickup (and that would reduce the weight a bit), I bought it in part as my tribute to the Les Paul wielding guitar gods who got me into blues and jazz (Duane Allman, Mike Bloomfield, Bluesbreakers-era Clapton) and it really needs the bridge pickup to fully cop that bit of nostalgia (I had a Heritage H-150 with the same amber sunburst in my blues days, and in fact I named her "Amber" which is the same name Slaman named this guitar!). It's an amazing instrument with a to-die-for neck (1.75" nut width, perfect shape and perfect depth)...in fact my favorite neck of any guitar I've every laid hands on. Having said all that, sometimes I think about selling it simply because I hardly use it...but I also know that as soon as I sell it some need will arise for a solid body. I've used it at big band practice to good effect. I'm half-hoping that Metheny's use of Slaman guitars will lead to a parabolic increase in market value along the lines of Manzer...

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    So I take these jazz combo classes run by a local music institution where they get top local pros to "lead" different combos...we all stand far apart, wear masks and every week we think they're going to cancel it due to the pandemic (especially recently), but so far they have continued since starting up again in September.

    Point is, we had one last night where the drummer couldn't make it, so it was just bass (no amp), two guitars and the pro on piano. During the bass solos (if piano was laying out) I actually had to be careful not to be too loud comping with my Trenier even when my volume all the way off...on a laminate 2.5" deep guitar.

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    If the bassist isn‘t a Ray Brown clone, pulling thunder out of his fiddle when taking a solo unplugged then a full out comping with that guitar -also unplugged- would indeed be too much. Restraint is always the best advice and I try to channel Jim Hall in these situations, strumming/ picking VERY lightly, only using 2- or threepart voicings, sometimes even just one string, a la Freddie Green ...
    some bassists don‘t want any comping but I often think that for the listener it can provide some sort of guideline through the changes and the form of the song. It’s a good thing to practice , paring the harmonies down to the bare minimum while still connecting them in a musically meaningful manner.

    Re the particular qualities of the guitar(s) in question I think this model is even better suited for this way of playing than a comparable archtop made out of solid woods. So far my own Jazz Special performs (in my usual small group settings) just great , giving me a strong, warm and balanced lead tone and with a twist of the volume knob it backs down to a nicely dry , very acoustic tone that‘s perfect for comping. Arguably better than my Super-400, which kills as my note-cannon in loud situations....

  47. #146
    For those waiting for a Trenier Jazz special - I can only say it will be worth waiting for. It will be like no other laminate you’ve played.

    It truly blends attributes from a solid carved guitar with the warmth of a laminate - producing a surprising amount of volume ( acoustically)- with a beautiful woody warmth vibe. My Jazz special (plugged in )sounds like Jim Halls tone.

    Bryant is in final set up with my “Trenier Georgian “ - so hopefully you guys are getting closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QAman
    For those waiting for a Trenier Jazz special - I can only say it will be worth waiting for. It will be like no other laminate you’ve played.

    It truly blends attributes from a solid carved guitar with the warmth of a laminate - producing a surprising amount of volume ( acoustically)- with a beautiful woody warmth vibe. My Jazz special (plugged in )sounds like Jim Halls tone.

    Bryant is in final set up with my “Trenier Georgian “ - so hopefully you guys are getting closer.
    Thanks Trenier sensei.

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    Here is another great video made by the talented Will Sellenraad playing his Trenier laminate with a real vintage Charlie Christian pickup. Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fal Tarlow
    Bryant is under a lot of pressure in line with huge interest for his masterpiece. He will soon start with work on my Jazz Special with 25" scale, vintage, dark, sunburst and CC floating (Pete Biltoft).
    Can't wait to see your finished instrument next year Fal! Sounds like it's not a million miles from what I have in mind. I just received a very clean 1948 Dearmond FHC pickup from another forum member in readiness for a future space in Bryant's schedule.

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    Bryant just shared some photos on Facebook and Instagram of the last Jazz Specials of 2020:

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