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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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09-03-2021 08:49 PM
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When I listen to that album, I'm like scared for Jim Hall, waiting for him to die lol. But he always managed to do at the very minimum, some minimalistic stuff that fit, stay with the time, and sound good.
Last edited by Clint 55; 09-03-2021 at 10:36 PM.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
A lot of rock players never get into this (they don’t really have to I suppose) - but Jimi is a good example of a rock player who did understand this approach. It’s a thing I associate with jazz and classical, but improvisation is obviously not so common in the latter.
Been playing a lot of duos and trios recently. It’s fun.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
It's interesting that although a lot of rock players worship Jimi, they only copy bits and pieces of his lines and riffs or his stage stunts instead of his conception of the instrument.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
Contrast this with the stuff that made Phil Upchurch famous. I got this 45 in 1961, and it still makes me get up and dance every time I hear it!
Last edited by nevershouldhavesoldit; 09-08-2021 at 04:49 PM. Reason: updated content
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
A much tougher test is a piano and guitar behind another soloist.
I've only had a couple of opportunities to play with vibes. I loved it. Wish I could do it all the time. I was quite surprised at how loud they are. Then I realized they manage to keep up with a full orchestra just fine.
Watch out for the Rhodes. Played with one a lot in the early 70's. Together we were a pretty awesome mud machine.
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Originally Posted by ccroft
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
"Pianist who can kick bass --- and drums" refers to a kb player and a drummer. Advantages: Sounds like a quartet, pretty much, for trio prices. Giving the pianist something else to do with his left hand keeps him from chording with it and thereby creates more space for the guitar. Another thing is that the pianist won't want to take bass solos, which might be good if you don't like bass solos but your real bassists want them. Downside: a real bassist would, presumably, sound better, not that it stopped the classic guitar, organ and drum guys. Last time I saw Joey DeFrancesco he kicked bass.
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
I can't recall any recording that feature that type of trio. I would like to hear a pianist that can really "kick bass" in such a setting, like what an organ does in the classic setting of guitar\organ\drums.
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The Wes Montgomery Trio - Wikipedia
From what I gather, Joey DeFrancesco often (always? couldn't tell) kicked bass. He did when I saw him at Dizzy's pre Covid.
Jimmy Smith too. Jimmy Smith (musician) - Wikipedia
As I understand it, guitar/organ/drums was a popular trio format in the 50s and 60s.
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
It appears that you meant organist and not pianist. I know of no jazz trio that featured piano and drums and another instrument other than a bass.
PS: I have seen Jimmy Smith with Larry Coryell and Tony Williams, and Joe DeFrancesco with Ron Eshete and a drummer. With these organ players a bass player isn't necessary.
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Never had a pianist do that. Play bass in the left hand sure, but never with pedals
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Originally Posted by L50EF15
Thanks for posting that. Hadn't heard it. I like Pat's playing here a lot!
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Last edited by nevershouldhavesoldit; 09-06-2021 at 07:56 AM.
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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Originally Posted by ccroft
Glad you like the Martino/Goldstein cut! One of my favorites, and Martino used a solidbody L5S on that album.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
No Bass Hit - perfect title for what we are discussing.Last edited by jameslovestal; 09-04-2021 at 09:40 PM.
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My Yamaha P-115 ($700 or so) electric allows for the kb to be split with the left half sent out of one output and the right half to another. Each half can have a different sound, e.g. bass on the left, piano on the right. This does not require a high end kb.
If you don't need the stereo, you can split the kb at any point, set a bass sound for the left section and go through one amp.
I play with two kb players who can cover bass this way -- a bass sound and a piano sound. And, there's at least another one locally who does it.
I don't know of a well-known, recorded trio that did it with a piano sound in a jazz context. There may be a Doors tune where Manzarek played piano and kb bass. Usually, he played organ.Last edited by rpjazzguitar; 09-05-2021 at 12:26 AM.
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I like it when people just go with there not being a bass and just accept it and work with it.
For me the quintessential exemplar of drums/piano/sax. Probably Scott’s inspiration
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At this point the Chris Potter Underground was a sax/guitar/piano/drums line up. The Rhodes has a good bass sound.
Probably a little off topic, but Gilad Heckselman often performs without bass. He uses the Boss OC3, which covers the bass end without sounding very much like an electric bass. I think Vinson also covers keys in this band.
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Look out for the next Pat Metheny record. Guitar-Piano-Drums, and you can’t tell that there’s no bassist.
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Benny Goodman and Teddy Wilson had a trio with a drummer.
I can play foot bass or left hand bass on organ or piano either solo or with a combo. I'm just focusing on foot bass cuz it frees up ur left hand to comp or do backgrounds. Jimmy Smith and Joey D play(ed) left hand bass and would tap a very simple bass line/pedal tone with their foot that wouldn't clash with the chord progression. Then on ballads they would hold all the bass down with foot.
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Originally Posted by Clint 55
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