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Originally Posted by Roberoo
Every musician is the product of a wider community. That’s one important thing colleges provide.
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05-08-2019 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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One of the best musicians I know is a bassist, low brass player (tuba!), he was a highly recognized high school musician and could have been accepted into any music school in the US, with plenty of scholarship help, he was recruited by many schools.But....
He went to Boston to study law, and spent every spare moment at Berklee jamming with anyone/everyone, people assumed he was a student there, but he didn't spend one minute in a classroom. Just...four years of jamming, little bit of gigging.
After graduating with a law degree, he went to work for the state prosecutor and gigged locally like a madman. No music degree, but did the Berklee hang and network. Very, very smart man.
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Zappa came from a comfortable middle-class family background.
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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
There's also folks that go to berklee, but do film scoring or education or something like that.
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Originally Posted by pcsanwald
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Originally Posted by pcsanwald
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Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt
You can't compare the realistic average earning potential of a doctor or a lawyer with someone with a jazz studies degree.Last edited by Tal_175; 05-09-2019 at 05:23 PM.
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Originally Posted by Alter
The question is whether going to Berklee is still a wise decision for those students who aren't Lage Lund and have to pay full or most of the tuition and whose names won't appear in the lists like you put in your post.Last edited by Tal_175; 05-09-2019 at 05:20 PM.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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I'd love to go to a jazz school for a few years and completely immerse myself in music and meet many musicians. But I'd consider that a long and very expensive vacation, not a career investment. As I'm not a Lage (Lund or Julian) which would leave me with things I have 0 interest in: teaching or having to do music gigs outside of my (relatively narrow) musical interests. But it'd be lovely to do.
To me it's like taking a couple of years off to go do diving expeditions around the world or something.Last edited by Tal_175; 05-09-2019 at 03:50 PM.
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Zappa was not exactly self-taught, though he didn't have as much formal education as a lot of people and certainly not as much as most folks who write orchestral music.
Did Frank Zappa learn about music theory? Why? - Quora
Not all jazz greats "came up from the streets" either. Miles went to Juilliard for 3 semesters and Coltrane went to music school until WW2 intervened.
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The question is whether going to Berklee is still a wise decision for those students who aren't Lage Lund and have to pay full or most of the tuition and whose names won't appear in the lists like you put in your post.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
A bachelors in music vs. two degrees, and IVY league at that! And like I said earlier, a music grad can go earn their MBA or law degree as well (albeit after earning some additional credits most likely).
Furthermore, not all lawyers do that well, and the same goes for doctors and MBAs. Ask Doctor Jeff about being a family practice guy.
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Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt
I'm in fact quite pleasantly surprised to learn that there are people out there who think being a doctor or lawyer is more or less the same income prospect as having a music degree. World is not such a bad place afterall
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Here are some people who dropped out of Berklee.
Al di Meola, Emily Remler, Kurt Rosenwinkel, Quincy Jones, Melissa Etheridge, Bruce Cockburn, John Mayer, St Vincent, Booker Ervin, Donald Fagen, Aimee Mann, Ben McKee of Imagine Dragons, Psy, Dream Theater's founding members John Petrucci, John Myung and Mike Portnoy.
There may be many others who haven't been discovered, as Tom Lehrer might say. But dropping could be a sensible strategy in financial and career terms, as discussed here in the Boston Globe.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
I'm confident that a music major can approach the MBA degree, albeit with some additional courses taken in advance, depending on what their undergrad university required. They may not need anything other than a solid GMAT and references.
Cheers.
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I remember reading in an interview with Al Di Meola that when he went to Berklee he realized that he already knew everything they were teaching at the program, he was way ahead of the curriculum. So they asked him to teach instead. He said that was because he had a really good private teacher as a kid.
Well, I'm sure he also soaked up the material like a sponge when he was taking lessons.Last edited by Tal_175; 05-10-2019 at 10:06 AM.
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Nothing to say except that I liked the performance! (And also the blond guitarist grated on me. Good player, but found him quite pretentious. Yeah, I'm superficial.)
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A drummer friend of mine was teaching his HS student, a very talented kid drummer, who is now a jazz performance major at MSM.
He asked my friend, "I don't understand it Mr. D., you're a great drummer, you studied with John Riley (V V Orchestra drummer), Kenny Washington, you've played with every jazz musician I've ever heard of; why are you teaching music at a high school?"
My friend answered him, "Well I've got a habit that I need to pay for every day."
The student asked him, "Gee, Mr. D., what habit is that?"
My friend replied, " I've got this habit where I NEED TO EAT A FEW TIMES A DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!"
A lot of the posters here remind me of that kid.
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Originally Posted by Litterick
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Originally Posted by LitterickOriginally Posted by Roberoo
That picture is from the mid 1970s and was taken in Frank's living room at the time. Check the art on the wall. Do you think Frank's parents were really into Alice Cooper?
Here's a picture from Frank's adolescence:
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