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I realize that this isn't going to affect how you feel about symbols in chord names, but the delta (triangle) is definitely easy, on a Mac, anyway. Option-j will yield that triangle. And for a diminished chord, option-shift-8 will yield the degree sign.
Neither of which is intuitive, but then, using a computer at all isn't exactly intuitive; but keyboard shortcuts are learned pretty easily if they are used often enough. But like complicated software (for instance, music engraving software like Finale or Musescore), if one doesn't use them for a while, one has to learn them all over again.
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05-12-2024 09:36 PM
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Making a triangle isn't difficult on Windows either:
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The problem is the forum's font won't allow it. It comes out as a question mark. As you can see :-)
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The circumflex symbol is probably close enough: ^ (^7)
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Was just reviewing my own sense of chord names and went to authoritative sources to check something... anyone ever notice that Berklee Press and Wikipedia don't agree on the quality of the seventh in "aug7"?
Berklee's aug7 is 1 3 #5 7
(natural seven, their example is C E G# B)
Wikipedia's aug7 is 1 3 #5 b7
(minor seven, like an altered dominant)
Why Lead Sheets? | Berklee
Augmented seventh chord - Wikipedia
Doesn't really matter as an ear player, but I'm surprised this hasn't been noticed and corrected.
In other news, it appears that a fundamental source of confusion with naming chords and constructing their chord symbols stems from the convention that a chord's default scale degree structure is 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7 as if mapped from the fifth mode of the major scale that has its tonic on the chord's root, but the convention for this is not explicitly marked... the chord symbols use a bare 7 to indicate a b7.Last edited by pauln; 05-13-2024 at 04:57 AM.
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They've got both those wrong. Mind you, the maj7#5 and maj7#9 chords exist too but aren't on the list.
And it looks like the list was made before b13 was a preferred term. Also, I hadn't seen Cdim(maj7) before - C Eb Gb B. These days I think that would be a B/C.
Apparently the article was published in their alumni magazine, summer 2018.
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Yea... here is page from Clinton Roemers... The Art Of Music Copying, still a standard along with the little red book...
"Standardized Chord Symbol Notation" by Roemer... (was a copyist in LA) and Carl Brandt, composer, conductor, arranger etc... also in LA area... before Finale etc...
The red book was used by most publishers, music programs and keyboards... there are more...but the organizational concepts are still good...
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Interesting...
The suburban mega churches around here are basically stadiums...I can't speak to their acoustics, but I imagine they'd be echoey but boomy and generally poorly controlled.
I grew up Catholic, the older Catholic churches in Chicago are basically echo chambers...but no guitars allowed. Just nice loud pipe organs.
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If the scale degree reference used for default chord symbol description (1 2 3 4 5 6 b7) is the fifth mode of major (Mixolydian), then the degree structure chord naming convention with respect to the root of the chord is the fourth mode of Mixolydian (but what scale is this called?).
How many think of major as their construction reference, taking into account that the b7 is labeled as 7?
How many think of the fourth mode of Mixo as their constructive reference?
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Your question is a bit confusing.
the major scale is Ionion--it will be a different mode degree ( first mode-second mode-etc) within each starting degree of the scale - but it will
still be called the Ionion mode..so the fourth mode of the Mixolydian mode is the Ionian mode
My question to you is..why are you asking this?
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Maybe to clear the confusion?
Chord naming default degree qualities are 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7
Mixo is 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7 and Major is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 (not b7)
The actual chord naming default scale degrees are Mixo
The scale degrees' default qualities for naming chords correspond to those of Mixolydian, but the actual labeling of the naming system corresponds to Major ( yes, Ionian labeling but not sounding, (labeled as "7" but sounding b7).
We don't use the major scale structure with its tonic set to the root of the chord as a reference scale for the chord naming system because it sets b7 as the default label. Rather, we use the parallel Mixolydian structure (to map to the labels) , with its tonic set to the root of the chord.
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When a system got explained, there is a mixture of tradition, common sense and some added nuance.
Instead, what if a new system was proposed that addressed every single problem a written chord may ever have?
And then just.. see what happens?
What would you suggest?
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I think we already have a sensible notation system, as Reg pointed out earlier, it's just that some people refuse to adhere to it. We may have to extend it for some newer slash and altered type chords, but that shouldn't be difficult.
For example, in the case of triads, B/C = slash chord, B triad over C triad. If it's an extended chord, B7, B6 or whatever, write say, B7b9/C for a B7b9 with the b9th (C) in the bass.
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I have never liked the idea of thinking, hearing, or using something one is not intending to play in order to execute something one does want to play.
The chord naming reference looks like the major scale - it uses the major scale labels, but the "7"=b7 means it is really mapped to the parallel Mixo degree structure. What was already once removed is revealed to be twice removed.
Maybe a new system is a good problem for AI to resolve within the current system? Chord notation is a language and AI are really good at that...
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(Also the acoustic at St Paul’s cathedral is absolutely awful)
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No joke. The smaller evangelical churches are in places like renovated former Circuit City and Dollor General stores, but the real deal mega churches in the US have jumbotron screens, boutique concession stands, and gift shops.
And I think the crazy reverb helps establish an ethereal, trancy, state of worship. Guitarist hits the dimed Big Sky and the audience arms collectively reach to heaven with eyes closed and tears streaming. Not my thing, but I've seen it, and it's a real scene man. Like a Dead show without the drugs.
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