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Originally Posted by Reg
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08-01-2010 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lkmuller
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Originally Posted by Claudi
Of course, everyone has their own way of doing it, but to me, JB's 5 shapes cover the fretboard completely.
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I only said it will give you a better mastery of the fretboard, but if 5 shapes are enough for you to me it's ok.
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Originally Posted by Claudi
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Alright.
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you guys have lost me and made it much more complicated.
jb
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Originally Posted by randalljazz
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Originally Posted by FatJeff
A. 7th position, C major, with C on the 6th string (call it 'F' type). play two octaves, no stretch or shift required. notice that tonic is under the same finger on the first string--which is the same "pitch class" (same note name, different octave) played open as is the sixth string. one may conclude (correctly) that any type of (scale or other) pattern anchored by a note on the sixth string will be the same as that note on the first string.
B. 5th position, C on the sixth string, will yield similar result, but requires an extension or temporary shift. (you could call this 'G' type.)
C. 1st position, C on the fifth string, gives from the 3th degree of the scale below tonic to the 5th two octaves and a mi3rd higher, without shift or extension. ('C' type.)
D. 2nd position, C on the fifth string, gives from the 5th below tonic to the 6th above (+ octave), but requires a shift. ( 'Bb' type, no shift required for first position.)
E. 9th position, C on the 4th string, gives from the 2nd below to the 4th above (+ octave), but requires two shifts.
and that's all there is. with 4th string C, tonic under the fourth finger, same as pattern A. C on 3rd string: notes toward the nut = pattern D, notes toward the bridge = pattern B. C on the 2nd string: tenth position, notes toward the nut = pattern E, notes toward the bridge = pattern C. C on the first string: notes toward the nut = pattern B, notes toward the bridge = pattern A.
of course, you can space notes on one string, to the extent of your reach and shift capability, but this yields hybrid positions of the above, or, taken to the extreme, transcend/ignores the concept of position entirely...nothing wrong with that!
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Hey, randalljazz. I think we're not refering to the same thing.
Could you make the effort of showing this in a tablature? It's not that I like tablatures but when it comes to see things on the fretboard it's the only way...or maybe scale graphics. The point is that I don't understand that when playing and starting on the 6th string you can pass from a 7th position, to a 5th, and to a 1st, back to a 2nd and to a 9th. I don't see the relation between any of the positions. That's why I think we're not talking about the same thing.
Thank you!
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Originally Posted by Claudi
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With these systems like CAGED, isn't there often at least two ways to play a position: open or closed? For example, Here is a G major scale, closed:
[chord]
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||---|---|-2-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|---|---|
[/chord]
And open (often skipping a fret between index and middle finger) in the same "position":
[chord]
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||---|---|-1-|---|-2-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|-1-|---|-2-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|
[/chord]
or even:
[chord]
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||---|---|---|-1-|-2-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|---|-1-|-2-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|-1-|---|-2-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|
||---|---|-1-|---|-2-|---|-4-|---|---|---|---|
[/chord]
I guess there's always more than one way to do something.
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Ah! Ok, I understood you BigDaddy. That's what I do.
Randalljazz, the kind of shapes I was refering to are the ones that BigDaddy uses.
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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F major scale
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Now let's incorporate some right-hand tapping in these scales
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Great! The 2 of you.
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