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’if it sounds good it is good’ Ellington
'If it sounds crap, it is crap' Me.
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12-27-2020 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Also don't care if it sounds 'bebop' enough. Sometimes it's better if doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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It boils down to continuous patterns sound good
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Chromatic diminished usage in blatant action at 13:20 :
Monty Alexander Live 1976
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I agree. Nice one!
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Originally Posted by pingu
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Originally Posted by JazzinNY
If I had to resolve it without this particular context it would have sounded most natural into Db (melodically I mean).. the chord would be Bb-7
But Ben does not resolve it....
I do not know his thinking... but sounds just like he played it thinking/hearing/anticipating movement through F7 (quite common b9 idea).
I like thinking more about the character of the line - its expression... this is what i try to learn from.
here it is powerful dominant lick without immidiate resolution - climbing up and interrupted at its highest point...
of course we can hear this interruption because resolution to Bb7 (or Bbm7) is presumed and anticipated (our (and Ben's) culticated hearing works here)but it does not happen
also note the rhythm it is played in -
it is sort of half-note triplets... which increases that expression of climbing up the peak and ...
I guess this is what we can learn from such things to add meanings intp our scope of artistic tools
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I think he forgot about the Eb7. But I also think, listening to it, that it doesn't matter. It's not a great clash at all. Fuss about nothing, really.
Actually, I think a lot of that solo isn't strictly on-chord. But there you are.
Poor guy, every note he plays ripped apart and micro-analysed. Who'd be famous?
By the way, no one's posted it yet.
Last edited by ragman1; 12-28-2020 at 06:48 AM.
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I actually think it's pretty cool that, years after he's gone, people are giving so much attention to 4 notes he played one night in a studio.
And Ragman, I think you misread my posts. I don't see his playing as any kind of mistake. I just found it interesting.
(Thanks for posting the link)
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JazzinNY -
Any diminished arp works over a Dominant
No, I didn't misread them, I thought your point was the in the thread title. But the discussion wandered a bit...
But I'm tempted to post another Soundcloud thing where I'm deliberately playing the 'wrong' dims over dom chords. It sounds awful to my ears - well, it IS awful, no question about it - regardless of what the theorists say. Maybe if you popped one into a fast bebop tune it might sound out and cool but, as a rule, I'd say no. And I think you meant it as a sort of rule.
Here we are, lots of dominants. The first time I turned all of them into 7b9's and it works. The second... well :-)
C - % - E7 - %
A7 - % - Dm - %
E7 - % - Am - %
D7 - % - Dm - G7
To be fair, the very last one over the G7 before the tonic CM7 sounds okay because it'll take an altered sound there. But the others, not for me.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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