I don't like the sound of coltrane changes... i said it.. lol

[AlsoRan]

well I expect he did it just for a laugh on YouTube, it wouldn’t be in his discography. It’s quite easy to do this sort of thing with some fancy software nowadays.

Good to see I am not the only one who gets fooled from time to time around here!

[AlsoRan]

I always wanted to hear you and one of your ensembles play on a live recording. Thank you for that post. You guys sounded good. Although I had a little trouble hearing your guitar part in the song - or was that a banjo? You are multi-talented.

[AlsoRan]

i did this with a sequencer (cubase) and samples....retro flute..

Dam, those flutes can sound so....sweet! I am jealous.

[grahambop]

I always wanted to hear you and one of your ensembles play on a live recording. Thank you for that post. You guys sounded good. Although I had a little trouble hearing your guitar part in the song - or was that a banjo? You are multi-talented.

The Bebop Stompers are French and the banjoist is called Nathalie Renault:

Be-Bop Stompers

[grahambop]

Joe Pass did it and then got sampled by a rapper.

[ragman1]

Not quite Joe's tune, is it? The original, that is.

[AlsoRan]

The Bebop Stompers are French and the banjoist is called Nathalie Renault:

Be-Bop Stompers

I was just trying to get a rise out of Cosmic, heh, heh.

Lord knows he terrorized me a time or two ( and I loved every minute of it)....

[Gabor]

one more thing I would like to add: when a chord progression has an interesting turn, that is a nice surprise and both the player and the listener enjoy it. However if the _very_ same turn repeats both within the progression, and then connecting back into itself, so practically endlessly, that is everything but not surprise and not interesting, it is the exact opposite: boring.

[grahambop]

Not quite Joe's tune, is it? The original, that is.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Joe wasn’t all that keen on it but maybe Norman Granz suggested it (there is a Chick Corea tune on the same album, also that annoying tune ‘Feelings’, so maybe they were trying to do something a little different).

I didn’t like Joe’s version much when I first got the album (I was into all the exciting heavy Coltrane stuff etc) but I quite like it now. In fact I had a go at it myself this morning, inspired by Joe’s version, kind of bossa feel and tempo with a few single lines thrown in. Might try and work it up into a solo piece.

[Jonah]

Trane Changes are not created to be liked...

they are to be experienced, terrified, developed, denied ... whatever .. but not to be liked...


)))

Seriously .. .Trane is probably one of the musicians in jazz for whom changes is only the very very starting point of the most unexpected and unpredictable journey.
I am sure he did not like those changes himself... it was not about liking... he designed them to give himself a routing or mapping... to jump into the things he really cared to achieve with music.

[patshep]

Why is this thread in the theory forum? I seems more like Chit Chat topic.

because it's talking about a set of changes...

[Gabor]

Trane Changes are not created to be liked...

they are to be experienced, terrified, developed, denied ... whatever .. but not to be liked...


)))

Seriously .. .Trane is probably one of the musicians in jazz for whom changes is only the very very starting point of the most unexpected and unpredictable journey.
I am sure he did not like those changes himself... it was not about liking... he designed them to give himself a routing or mapping... to jump into the things he really cared to achieve with music.

this is a great answer, at least the first part. However this particular case the promise was not fulfilled, and that is the point. Listening the original recording, especially the solos, there is nothing unexpected, nothing unpredictable, just speedy endless repetitions. We barely can not call it even a "journey".

[grahambop]

latin style:

[grahambop]

fusion:

[grahambop]

chicken pickin’:

[ragman1]

Grahambop -

Thanks, I'll give it a better listen :-)

[Lobomov]

chicken pickin’:

I forgot about that one. That is actually pretty great.

[wolflen]

fusion:

really like the album cover....a tribute to Jimi's-- Axis Bold As Love art work

[wolflen]

chicken pickin’:

yes..this is an example of how to rip the tune apart and experiment with it..now using a "country" feel..a la Danny Gatton..even using "behind the nut" licks..

so would this be more or less of a challenge to play vs JC style

[grahambop]

really like the album cover....a tribute to Jimi's-- Axis Bold As Love art work

yes and he included a Hendrix riff in the arrangement.

[rintincop]

I don’t like the taste of mackerel. There, I said it.

[grahambop]

I don’t like the taste of mackerel. There, I said it.

[henryrobinett]

I LOVE Trane changes. Believe it or not I woke up this morning thinking about them. I spent a long time practicing them. And I thought I need to revisit playing them. To me they're most exciting when he plays them as substitutes over regular changes.

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

Genius!

[christianm77]

Here's my take on it.

[grahambop]

I think Trane put some of those changes into the bridge on his recording of Body and Soul, then later on Dexter Gordon adopted it too.

[wolflen]

I think Trane put some of those changes into the bridge on his recording of Body and Soul, then later on Dexter Gordon adopted it too.

just something I noticed..

The Major 3rd movement of the major chords..(augmented theory) is what gives GS its unique flavor.. Flamenco Sketches on the Kind of Blue album (which was released in the same year that GS was recorded I think) you will hear some use of the major 3rd flavor.


Bill Evans most likely wrote that tune ..as well as Blue in Green..but both are credited to Miles..now it could have been an influence that JC used in GS...

[Jonah]

I think Trane put some of those changes into the bridge on his recording of Body and Soul, then later on Dexter Gordon adopted it too.

Trane said in one of the interviews how much famous Hawk's record of Body and Soul influenced him.. he said he never picked up anything from it litterally but he just kept listtneing it over and over again.

[Jonah]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Joe wasn’t all that keen on it but maybe Norman Granz suggested it (there is a Chick Corea tune on the same album, also that annoying tune ‘Feelings’, so maybe they were trying to do something a little different).

I didn’t like Joe’s version much when I first got the album (I was into all the exciting heavy Coltrane stuff etc) but I quite like it now. In fact I had a go at it myself this morning, inspired by Joe’s version, kind of bossa feel and tempo with a few single lines thrown in. Might try and work it up into a solo piece.

Joe's version is really fun to listen to because he does quite an opposite thing to what those changes were made for imho...

He does his best to find and outline traditional melodic and harmonic connections (because it's his way of musical thinking)... and actually succeds in it.

[grahambop]

Also of course the bridge of ‘Have You Met Miss Jones’ contains some ‘giant steps’ type changes and Coltrane must have been familiar with it. It would be interesting to hear him play it but I don’t think he ever recorded it.

[voxsss]

5 MNTHS BEFORE HE PASSED...

[Pycroft]

This is quite outrageous ...

[Lobomov]

Dave Pollack just posted this on youtube .. Giant Steps played at 40 BPM.

I kinda dig it!

[JFranck]

Cosmic, thanks for drawing our attention to this band I've never heard of !
Long before them, "Anachronic Jazz Band" founded in 1976 by pianist Philippe Baudoin (author of a well known "anthologie des grilles de Jazz" ) inaugurated the concept

[sgcim]

Obviously, there's nothing wrong with the changes. It's just that the harmonic rhythm at that tempo is insane. The Trane players that concentrate soley on GS wind up sounding very mechanical. Some of them can be replaced...
Giants steps solo by a Robot! - YouTube

[voxsss]

[voxsss]

[christianm77]

Lots of talented youngsters! What a great sound from a Fender...

Also, excellent colour coordination. Strikes me as a good reason to get a large collection of guitars of different colours, so that you can match your outfit. #justifications.

[ragman1]

This little guy's good.

[christianm77]

Probably one of the best versions of Giant Steps I've heard to be honest

[Gabor]

This little guy's good.

This is literally unbelievable. I have usually doubts on prodigy type videos, many times they just flasheses something very attractive but basically shallow things, but man, there is real message here, with many nuances, and constantly formulated tons of ideas...

[silverfoxx]

This is literally unbelievable. I have usually doubts on prodigy type videos, many times they just flasheses something very attractive but basically shallow things, but man, there is real message here, with many nuances, and constantly formulated tons of ideas...

I guess that you know Joey Alexander was self taught at aged 6 , listening to Bill Evans, and other piano greats ,from his Father's
record collection, I first heard him aged 10 , bought his CD ," My Favourite Things" released in 2015 and Wynton Marsalis calls
him , " His Hero" if there was ever a a musical genius , JA is one.

[ragman1]

Yeah, yeah, they're all good. But not as good as mine :-)

[ragman1]

"When I was in my mother's womb I would listen to jazz"