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That’s cool. The more I hear it and the more we‘re talking about the more I like at least a part of it. And I guess Julian‘s got a good sense of humor...
It‘s right to leave the usual ways when it comes to abstract stuff like this. My point is my own restriction on guitar music. I like dissonances but only in an harmonic context. If free and bizarre Improvisation turns out to be just noise I‘m gone.
But some parts are really cool and his tone and dynamic playin at the beginning and the end is breathtaking as usual.
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09-08-2019 02:29 AM
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A day at the State Bureau of Music Classification
-Ben, where am I supposed to file this recording? I don't think it's "Hip-Hop"...
-If there's guitar, I always file it under "Country".
-I know Ben, but no one is singing.
-Really...how bizarre...I bet, there a double bass, right?
-Yeah, thanks man, the double bass is a dead giveaway. It goes under "Jazz"... of course...I should have known...
- Hold your horses, son. Never file anything under "jazz" if it's popular. Really important.
-C'mon, Ben. No one is singing, how could it be popular?
-Ok, "Jazz" it is then...Too bad, we haven't filed anything under "Country" this week...We have to show some progress...Are you sure it's not "Country", the boys aren't wearing Stetson hats or something?
-Sorry Ben, how about "Progressive Rock"?
-Martha says we can't use that genre anymore. Coffee?
-No thanks, Ben. Got a heap of music on my desk that has to be classified before 5 pm....Like this, I'm not sure if this is music, listen.... just noise...
-Martha says; whenever in doubt if the sound could be referred to as music, we have to put it under "Jazz". Apparently the paragraph was instituted already in 1959. It should have been revisited a long time ago, but nobody cares.
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Originally Posted by JCat
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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I’m not much of a free jazz kind of guy. I like the trad stuff, and the more melodic side of everything else, especially if it has a great vamp (Dave Brubeck’s “Out of Time” is heavy in my rotation right now). I guess the reason I find this particular cover so every is that Lage is provided the tension and dissonance of several different instruments all by himself. So without the contrast in pitches, timbres, and tones of multiple instruments, it seems like something got lost in the mix. To me this is the Jazz equivalent of some of the weirder stuff by Steve Vai; I can recognize the talent and genius even if it isn’t particularly enjoyable to my ear. I wouldn’t buy it, or choose it, but if it came up in a random playlist I would be tempted to skip to the next track if I had control 8n a group setting, and would almost certainly do so if solo in my house or car.
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Sometimes I don't understand jazz
This is more like the real thing, love it or hate it.
And this could have been the most awful hash... but it isn't.
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There 's a whole genre of modern jazz that sounds like that. Modern improvisational ideas, lots of dissonance, out playing, some free stuff. It's a matter of taste. I thought Lage Lunds last cd was a bit like that too..
Not one of my most favorite players, Julian Lage, but just the passion for the guitar and the creativity are enough for me to enjoy his playing. He's also done a remarkable job arranging and composing on some of his cds..
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Originally Posted by christianm77
That said, when I was younger I did listen to a great deal of music I did not like (emotionally) because it was "good for me".... That meant listening to free jazz, 20th Century classical composers and even Monk. Over time, I did come to like most of it - Monk especially. I think this is because your aesthetic sense and inner emotional world is something that changes and develops if you challenge it. I now hear the emotion in the music that I didn't recognize at an earlier stage of life. It is a hermeneutic process where you listen to something, think this is terrible, but then you grab onto some thread in the music that excites you and brings you back. After some more listens you hear something else and so on...eventually you enter a larger world where stuff you disliked starts to move you in unexpected ways.
I remember at 12 or so, going to see Ed Bickert, Don Thompson and Terry Clarke in Toronto. They started blazing away on some tunes, trading solos etc and I just could not hear or relate to what was going on. How did they know where they were in the tune? Where is the tune? I understood the ballads but that was about it. Still that got me hooked on Ed and I listened to the records (hating a lot of it) but eventually I understood and could relate to it emotionally and intellectually. Glad I did that work.
All this to say we might not want to overdraw distinctions between the emotional and intellectual side since they do relate but just in complicated ways.d
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I like it very much, what I don't like is the mix. Guitar is too loud, bass too low... but that's highly subjective like everything.
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Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
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Originally Posted by Roberoo
But I think that’s true of loads of stuff. I mean how much did you like your first beer?
And in general with, say, food, the more cuisines you are exposed to, and the more flavours, the more open you become.
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Originally Posted by JCat
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Not one of my favorite Lage tunes. Just listening, it sounds like he's modulating between minor and major.
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very nice..would love the see Lage in this setting . more Welly..
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I would change a word 'emotional' to 'direct or unconventional' (as opposed to 'preoccupied, preconceived, too concious)..
liking is not purely emotional thing... one just has to trust one's sense of truth, one's perception....
I think perception of art (as well as creation) is much about the courage of being yourself... we do not notice it in everyday life... one has to have good instinct not to be caught in the trap
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I do not like the word 'emotional' becasue in everyday usage it oversimplifies things too much... (People tend to say 'music is more about emition' but I do not thing music is more emotional that literature for example... I think it is superficial... like you know 'good wallpaper can be emotional' but 'good artistic painting is not emotional' - it is mind, soul... )
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Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
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I think make (force!) enjoy something (either by understanding, or in any other way) is not the way.
(It is not even a minor problem if you do not enjoy Lage's one or more performance, or even his whole work of life. Maybe he also do not enjoy it to relisten :-), but it seems he enjoyed it to play, because he is continuously smiling, which is at least should make us unsure, the music supposed to be dark...)
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Like and appreciate what you can and leave the rest be. You get what you get at a certain point in time. Not all music is for each and every individual, nothing wrong with neither person nor music.
I'm not keen on that performance. I'm not sure what it is exactly. I think perhaps Lage's tendency to go for overt beauty make him pull the punches when taking it out and going for angular. It feels somehow academic to me. ymmv, imho, etc
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Originally Posted by Gabor
See also Brian Cox.
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Originally Posted by Gabor
(This is what performing artists and politicians have in common.)
See also Tony Blair
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Originally Posted by voxsss
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Originally Posted by JCat
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I liked it. Do I get a cookie?
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Here's my take on it
I go splodonk towards the end.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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The older I get, the more I'm convinced what makes a person a creative person is how they react to things they don't fully understand.
Elias Prinz -- young talent from Munich
Yesterday, 10:24 PM in The Players